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To: RightWhale
==The TOE doesn’t require or infer increasing complexity. That is a later addition by exegetes of limited cognizance.

The whole notion was popularized by Darwin himself in his "Orgin of Species." Here's the chart from his book:

And here's his explanation of the "great Tree of Life":

"The affinities of all the beings of the same class have sometimes been represented by a great tree. I believe this simile largely speaks the truth. The green and budding twigs may represent existing species; and those produced during each former year may represent the long succession of extinct species. At each period of growth all the growing twigs have tried to branch out on all sides, and to overtop and kill the surrounding twigs and branches, in the same manner as species and groups of species have tried to overmaster other species in the great battle for life. The limbs divided into great branches, and these into lesser and lesser branches, were themselves once, when the tree was small, budding twigs; and this connexion of the former and present buds by ramifying branches may well represent the classification of all extinct and living species in groups subordinate to groups. Of the many twigs which flourished when the tree was a mere bush, only two or three, now grown into great branches, yet survive and bear all the other branches; so with the species which lived during long-past geological periods, very few now have living and modified descendants. From the first growth of the tree, many a limb and branch has decayed and dropped off; and these lost branches of various sizes may represent those whole orders, families, and genera which have now no living representatives, and which are known to us only from having been found in a fossil state. As we here and there see a thin straggling branch springing from a fork low down in a tree, and which by some chance has been favoured and is still alive on its summit, so we occasionally see an animal like the Ornithorhynchus or Lepidosiren, which in some small degree connects by its affinities two large branches of life, and which has apparently been saved from fatal competition by having inhabited a protected station. As buds give rise by growth to fresh buds, and these, if vigorous, branch out and overtop on all sides many a feebler branch, so by generation I believe it has been with the great Tree of Life, which fills with its dead and broken branches the crust of the earth, and covers the surface with its ever branching and beautiful ramifications."

45 posted on 11/14/2007 5:15:43 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
“As buds give rise by growth to fresh buds, and these, if vigorous, branch out and overtop on all sides many a feebler branch, so by generation I believe it has been with the great Tree of Life, which fills with its dead and broken branches the crust of the earth, and covers the surface with its ever branching and beautiful ramifications.” Darwin

Is ‘ever branching and beautiful ramifications’ synonymous with ‘complexity’ or ‘genetical richness’ however it is that you define it (a definition which includes your notion that a bacteria isn’t really less complex than a human)? How can you quantify something in a X vs Y data plot without data when you cannot even define it?

74 posted on 11/14/2007 5:58:18 PM PST by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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