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Alberta oil too costly: Saudi official
Calgary Herald ^ | 11/14/07

Posted on 11/14/2007 6:23:22 PM PST by Dane

Alberta oil too costly: Saudi official Energy minister says Middle East a better investment than oilsands Shaun Polczer, Calgary Herald Published: Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Canada is one of the world's costliest oil producers and requires high prices to remain viable, Saudi Arabia's oil minister said in Riyadh on Tuesday, suggesting Saudi Arabia is a better value for investors.

Commenting in Arabic, Ali Al-Naimi noted that the "sands of oil" in northern Alberta need prices to be at least $40 to $60 US a barrel to develop the massive reserves, which are pegged as second only to Saudi Arabia's.

"Today, the price of oil is proper for producers there," he said at a news conference to kick off the third OPEC summit.

"If you can show me that investing and producing a barrel from the sands in Canada is better than investing and producing a barrel in Saudi Arabia, then I would go there, but it doesn't," Al-Naimi said bluntly.

(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: energy; oil; oilenergy; saudi; tarsands; wot
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To: mamelukesabre

Actually, we have been DIVERSIFYING our oil purchases for sometime now, to places like Mexico, Sweden, and Nigeria, but most especially RUSSIA....

Our Achilles heel is that 10-12% of our REFINED GASOLINE is imported from Venezuela...


81 posted on 11/14/2007 10:20:02 PM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Professional

Nigeria is an OPEC member.


82 posted on 11/14/2007 10:21:17 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: OCC
If I knew my gasoline was derived from Canadian oil sands and not Saudi crude, I would gladly pay $3 a gallon at the pump.

Well, some of it is, and you are, or your parents are, so you must be happy.

83 posted on 11/14/2007 10:28:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: montag813

For me the jury is still out on the origin of petroleum, but everything else you say makes sense. There are enormous amounts of petroleum in the earth’s crust; it will probably be the mainstay of our economy for centuries. Incidentally, Americans are fortunate that the oil sands are located in Canada and not the United States. If they were inside American territory, the giant mining operations necessary for their extraction would be banned by the EPA. The confluence of Big Oil and strip mining would be an irrestible target for the trust fund kids of the Sierra Club. Look at the offshore oil near California and Florida, completely locked out in spite of the successful operations in the Gulf of Mexico (where the hurricanes are!). Better to have the oil and gas in Canada, where it can be shipped to American markets through secure pipelines. You’d be getting even more of it if domestic American oil and gas producers hadn’t done everything they could to block out competition for decades.


84 posted on 11/14/2007 10:35:27 PM PST by TheMole
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To: Ronin
Stable supply is more important than low price IMO. Besides, the cost of extracting the Alberta oil will go down as the extraction technology improves.

You beat me to it. The more we produce from oil sands, the more we will find ways to reduce the costs of doing so. The important thing is to get started.

85 posted on 11/15/2007 12:25:56 AM PST by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: kittymyrib
The Brazilians think they have 80 BILLION barrels in their new field off their coast.

You really do need a better news source than what you are using. The field is about half the size of ANWR.

Petrobras Finds New Oil Frontier
http://rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52697

Petrobras analyzed and tested the Tupi area. The formation test analyses undertaken for the second well in the BM-S-11 block, located in the Santos basin, allows the recoverable volume of 28 degree API light oil to be estimated at 5 to 8 billion barrels of oil and natural gas.

86 posted on 11/15/2007 3:45:51 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: G8 Diplomat
The last thing they want is for the US to get oil from Canada instead of Saudi Arabia

We already get more oil from Canada than Saudi Arabia.

U.S. Crude Oil Imports by Country of Origin
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbblpd_m.htm

87 posted on 11/15/2007 3:48:01 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: tcrlaf
Our Achilles heel is that 10-12% of our REFINED GASOLINE is imported from Venezuela...

Not True. This year we have averaged about 8 MBPD of gasoline from Venezuela. We use about 9,300 MBPD.

Total U.S. Finished Motor Gasoline Imports From Venezuela
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mgfimusve2m.htm

U.S. Finished Motor Gasoline Product Supplied
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mgfupus2m.htm

88 posted on 11/15/2007 3:53:39 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Roy Tucker
The more we produce from oil sands, the more we will find ways to reduce the costs of doing so. The important thing is to get started.

That happened decades ago.

Oil Sands History
http://www.syncrude.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=5657

89 posted on 11/15/2007 3:55:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Do we get lots of tar products from Venezuela? I see roofers using Venezuelan tar in FL


90 posted on 11/15/2007 3:55:49 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: Dane

Require prices between $40-60 a barrel. Hell, we are at $100 now.


91 posted on 11/15/2007 3:56:40 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: dennisw

We get about 20 MBPD from Venezuela of Asphalt and Road Oil. We use about 525 MBPD.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mapimusve2m.htm

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mapupus2M.htm


92 posted on 11/15/2007 3:59:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DOGEY

More like $15~20 for Oil Sands.


93 posted on 11/15/2007 3:59:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Dane
Commenting in Arabic, Ali Al-Naimi noted that the "sands of oil" in northern Alberta need prices to be at least $40 to $60 US a barrel to develop the massive reserves, which are pegged as second only to Saudi Arabia's.

Has the sheik checked the price of a barrel of oil lately?

94 posted on 11/15/2007 3:59:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Dane

Noticed yesterday, that Honda will begin leasing the first production all-hydrogen fuel cell car next year in America.

Hydrogen is after all, what?

A really good ... battery. Perhaps the formula isn’t as simple as whether this oil or that oil, is cheapest.

Perhaps the world is moving toward the actual sale of energy itself, in the *form* of hydrogen.

Could it be, we will import energy from the national grid of efficient nuclear power plants running the country of ... our new friend Sarkozy.

In of all places. France. :)


95 posted on 11/15/2007 4:09:50 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I like Duncan Hunter)
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To: Ouderkirk

Saudis don’t set the price high, commodities gamblers do.


96 posted on 11/15/2007 4:16:43 AM PST by omega4179 ("Bring me the broomstick of the wicked witch of the west")
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To: Dane

and this internet thingy will neeeeever take off...


97 posted on 11/15/2007 4:18:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: thackney

I’m asking only because you seem very knowledgeable.
How would you utilize our Western coal reserves? Do you think coal liquefaction to diesel and jet fuel has a future? How about using coal to make methane or hydrogen then using these to run a lot of our vehicles

Also massive electric generating plants can be built in Montana etc and send their electric outward from there. Or to manufacture hydrogen and ship that out


98 posted on 11/15/2007 4:25:06 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
How would you utilize our Western coal reserves? Do you think coal liquefaction to diesel and jet fuel has a future? How about using coal to make methane or hydrogen then using these to run a lot of our vehicles

Start with producing more of them and remove President Clinton's designation of a Monument that removed valuable coal resources from being available to produce. I think coal liquefaction will be used more in the future. I see limited use for it to make methane or hydrogen as transportation fuel. It is cheaper to transport coal by rail a thousand miles than it is to wheel the electricity through enlarged power lines.

99 posted on 11/15/2007 4:30:19 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Professional

...”oil gets any more expensive than now, the American farmer could plant bio crops.”

If oil gets any more expensive, we won’t be able to afford the luxury of the delusion of thinking we are actually making a difference by utilizig bio-fuels


100 posted on 11/15/2007 4:36:19 AM PST by RFEngineer
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