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To: BGHater

Live in the largest English speaking city you can find that has a primarily cash economy and diverse but very well-integrated population. Shop only at small family owned stores, never at a chain. Never shop at the same store more than once every couple of months—best if you pay a family for room and board. Don’t use a cell phone. Never use the internet. And drive an old car.

That’s what liberty is going to look like, thanks either to 911 or President Bush’s administration, depending on one’s point of view.


30 posted on 11/15/2007 12:31:43 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
"That’s what liberty is going to look like, thanks either to 911 or President Bush’s administration, depending on one’s point of view."

"Liberty" was lost long before 9/11 or Bush. Wake up. every time you walk into a chain store your bank card, credit cards etc. can and are read. "they" can track everything you do if they want to now, and have been able to do so for decades now. Do you have a bank account? Do you use a debit card? By gas with it? pay for groceries with it? work? The only way you can avoid anyone from tracing where you have been, what your habits are is by using strictly cash. But you still have to cash your paycheck, pay taxes, contribute to your number. (s.s.)

32 posted on 11/15/2007 12:45:02 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
"That’s what liberty is going to look like, thanks either to 911 or President Bush’s administration, depending on one’s point of view."

Insurance? A drivers licience? health insurance? Use any services, DMV, a hospital, go to school? own a home?

It's all part of living in a society in many cases, and part of that is being a visible member of it.

A libertarian by your desecription, is the seedy looking suspicious character that slinks about in the shadows... doesn't drive a car, possibly owns a mule that he brings to town once a month to load up a sack of flour and sugar on, and take back to his dug out in the hills....

No, I do not want to live in a "libertarian" society either. I would rather live in a community where certain aspects of life are much improved when society works toward common goals, building a school, paving roads, a sewer system and water treatment plant, etc. Some taxation is necessary to live in a civilized world. A libertarian world would be miserable, cold hearted, barbaric. To be anything else and you aren't a libertarian.

Most people realize this and that's why nobody is a libertarian, (except those who really don't know what being a true libertarian requires)

social conservatism is best.

34 posted on 11/15/2007 1:00:28 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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