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Sunrise and Sunset could be affected by global warming.
http://www.arch.ethz.ch/darch/index.php?lang=en ^ | 11/16/07 | Hilllik Huma Goode

Posted on 11/16/2007 11:23:52 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0

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To: D Rider
How does the Earth’s mass increase in a closed system? It is true that the earth gains mass by collecting space dust with its gravity, but this is hardly due to global warming.

The issue isn't an increase in mass, but a shift in mass from closer to the axis to farther from the axis. Taking material from the Earth's crust and putting it in the atmosphere could, in theory, affect its rotational velocity.

(ObDisclaimer: I am not a physicist, I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and if I'm talking about this stuff at the most elementary level, it's only because I understand it at the most elementary level.)

Every minute you drive a car or a bicycle, you're losing mass at the outer edge of the rotation and shifting the rim-to-axis ratio. And yet they keep spinning. And the speedometer remains pretty accurate. The dash panel on my Chrysler can't tell my my linear velocity in micrometers per nanosecond, but it's plenty accurate for my needs.

If your cultural practices are based on beginning at sunset, which is an imprecise time stamp at best, then a small shift in when the sun sets won't make any difference.

81 posted on 11/16/2007 1:53:59 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

These ‘people’ are insane. My God what have we become as human beings if we are to fool ourselves into believing we can play the role of the almighty.

I thought changing to daylight savings time fixed that. Do you mean that I have to set my watch backward and forward every year for nothing! Rats!


82 posted on 11/16/2007 2:01:28 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

“”The basic premise is as the earth’s temperature rises, the atmosphere thickens, gaining mass which will exert a measurable pressure upon the planetary axis of rotation”, says Dr. Heimel Van Ulderwert of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zürich.”

Wait, what? Law of conservation of mass, lol.


83 posted on 11/16/2007 2:01:32 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: darkwing104
Yeah. How about conservation of angular momentum?

There is a gradual braking of the earth’s rotation rate caused by the Moon, which amounts to a lengthening of the rotation period by about 0.002 seconds per century. Angular momentum is transferred from the earth's rotation to the moon's orbit.

The worst the atmosphere could do is briefly store some angular momentum, but the peak effect would be minuscule and short lived.

84 posted on 11/16/2007 2:11:02 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The atmosphere rotates with the earth thus making the reduction nill.

Besides that the article is satire. Got me too...


85 posted on 11/16/2007 2:36:30 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: CholeraJoe
No, it’s Daylight Savings Time that causes Global Warming. The sun rises earlier and sets later so it gets hotter.

LOL. CJ that's a great answer!

86 posted on 11/16/2007 2:39:09 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: darkwing104
The atmosphere rotates with the earth thus making the reduction nill.

No, the recent leap second drought was attributed to exchange of angular momentum between the atmosphere and the earth's surface. The core can do the same thing. You'd expect the effect to be temporary.

Besides that the article is satire. Got me too...

It's no more silly than a lot of other run of the mill claims made about the effect of Global Warming.

Global Warming is extremely robust with respect to data, all observations confirm it with probability 1.0 and all things are predicted by it. It's the Nostradamus of scientific theories.

87 posted on 11/16/2007 2:47:51 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: ReignOfError
The issue isn't an increase in mass, but a shift in mass from closer to the axis to farther from the axis. Taking material from the Earth's crust and putting it in the atmosphere could, in theory, affect its rotational velocity.

Before 1967, a second was measured as a fraction of the earths annual trip around the sun. How does any of this impact the travel of the earth around the sun in space?

88 posted on 11/16/2007 2:51:46 PM PST by D Rider
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To: wolfcreek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second


89 posted on 11/16/2007 2:51:50 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Are you sure it wasn't tidal?


90 posted on 11/16/2007 3:04:45 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: D Rider
Before 1967, a second was measured as a fraction of the earths annual trip around the sun. How does any of this impact the travel of the earth around the sun in space?

It doesn't. The claimed change is in the revolution, not the orbit. That is, the Earth spinning slower or faster on its axis, not moving slower or faster around Ol' Sol.

91 posted on 11/16/2007 3:06:59 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: D Rider
Before 1967, a second was measured as a fraction of the earths annual trip around the sun.

Before 1967 the ISO second was defined as a specific fraction of tropical year 1900. (A tropical year is the interval between vernal equinoxes, which is not the same quite the thing as "a trip around the sun.") This was hardly a reproducible standard. Modern clocks could be compared to it using other astronomical clocks, the most precise of which was Newcombe's theory of lunar motion.

In 1958 the atomic clock was invented by Britain's National Physical Laboratory. Using satellite time synchronization, they worked with the U.S. Naval Observatory to establish the relationship between the Cesium clock and lunar motion. The value they determined was adopted as the ISO second in 1967.

Mean solar time, the basis of civil time, is based on the rotation of the earth. The exact relationship is complicated but you think of a second of mean solar time as approximately 1/86400 of the average interval between transits of the sun across the Greenwich (or any other) meridian. (The difference between solar transits and a uniform clock is called "the equation of time.")

The length of a day has been increasing by about 0.002 seconds per century compared to an atomic clock for as long as mankind has been around, so the length of the second of mean solar time keeps getting longer compared to an atomic second.

92 posted on 11/16/2007 3:13:18 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: darkwing104

Angular momentum has to go somewhere. The interaction of the Moon and Earth is called tidal braking. The earth is actually kicking the moon into a higher orbit, with a smaller angular velocity but larger radius.

Tides don’t store significant angular momentum over long periods.


93 posted on 11/16/2007 3:23:06 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: ReignOfError

When in danger
Or in doubt
Run in circles,
Scream and shout!

NOT BAD...NOT BADD AT ALLL

one thing sure them libs got the chicken little/sky be fallin

market cornered....


94 posted on 11/16/2007 3:42:29 PM PST by flat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The length of a day has been increasing by about 0.002 seconds per century compared to an atomic clock for as long as mankind has been around, so the length of the second of mean solar time keeps getting longer compared to an atomic second.

The real problem arises with atomic clocks slowing relative to orbital ones.

95 posted on 11/16/2007 4:25:48 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

A statement “frozen in time...”


96 posted on 11/16/2007 4:35:10 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
"Gaining mass", huh? lol.
97 posted on 11/16/2007 4:35:21 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Yeah right... in a few thousand years, who knows? The global warm scam explains everything... and nothing.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

98 posted on 11/16/2007 4:36:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: D Rider
There is a universal consensus in favor of communism among all communists! How dare you question the Party! If the First Secretary saves acquired characteristics can be inherited, then - no wait... let me see, what page was that again?
99 posted on 11/16/2007 4:37:06 PM PST by JasonC
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To: D Rider

You know how when you spin on a bar stool, and then stick out your hands or legs, you spin slower, and when you retract them you spin faster?

No, I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. Just a fun fact.


100 posted on 11/16/2007 4:39:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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