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Hillary’s debate performance stunk. I degraded myself for two hours watching that garbage. If she is a serious contender then we are in big trouble.

I agree. Hillary did not win the debate. She actually did relatively poorly, a D+ - no matter how much CNN and others spin it. And Wolf did a poor job, lost control right at the start.

My take -
*Winner of the debate: Joe Biden
*the most stupid candidate: Richardson
*craziest: Dennis Kusinich
*most honest: Dennis Kusinich
*the most presidential: Joe Biden
*biggest surprise: how Obama mangled an expected YES-NO question. According to Hardball it took him, IIRC, 199 words to answer it.

I repeat what others have said - lets be thankful Biden has no chance. In a general election, he would be the hardest to beat. But Democrats are too taken with Hillary.