Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?

Jack Cashill ^ | 11/14/07 | Jack Cashill

[Sioux-san]

On the Sunday morning of July 3, 1988, at the tail end of the Iran-Iraq War, an Aegis cruiser, the USS Vincennes, fired two Standard Missiles at a commercial Iranian Airbus, IR655.

The first missile struck the tail and right wing and broke the aircraft in half. All 290 people aboard were killed. Misunderstanding America, the Iranians claimed that our Navy had intentionally destroyed the plane.

The Navy did no such thing.

[DoughtyOne]

I’ll have to admit to not knowing much about that end of things.

[DoughtyOne]

I think that’s a very good point. I don’t know the answer to it. If you would have asked me if he would sign on to the bombing of Bosnia and Kosovo, I would have said empatically no. His erratic behavior was part of what led me to think he was a dangerous individual to have in the White House.

All I know is that this was the only time in U.S. history that the FBI and CIA wrestled an investigation of a commerical airline crash away from the NTSB, in violation of protocol. Ron Brown’s fight was also outside the norm, as the airline manufacturer’s rep that always goes to crash sites when his company’s planes are involved, was told NOT TO SHOW UP.

[Calpernia]

It was local news on 1010wins.

[southland]

bttt

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Calpernia. I appreciate the mention.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you.

[Scarchin]

Cue “Aw Jeez” guy -

[attiladhun2]

Also, I understand Iranian airliners use transponders similar to those used by their Air Force aircraft, since airliners are used as military transports when not hauling civilian passengers.

[Non-Sequitur]

I’m afraid I’m not as confident of that as you are. About six days prior to the TWA 800 incident there were reports of missile(s) sighted in the area. I honestly don’t know what was going on in the area, but I have an open mind when it comes to life fire testing.

Well I can speak from experience. I served on several missile-equipped ships in 9 years of active duty, participated in about a dozen missile firings, and never heard of a single one conducted outside of the Atlantic Fleet missile range off Puerto Rico. I never heard of a live firing of any kind north of the Virginia capes. And the reason why no live firings of any kind are done north of there should be obvious, you have the most densely travelled air corridors in the world between DC and Boston. Conducting live weapons firings anywhere near that would be insane, and the Navy brass isn't insane.

[attiladhun2]

Actually, the Discovery Channel re-created such an accident. The fuel tank exploded pretty dramatically. After that, I began to think TWA800 was probably not a terrorist incident, though it is still a slight possibility. But an accidental naval shoot down is hardly even a possibility.

[UCANSEE2]

Consider what is really being said here.

Clinton slowly infiltrated, restaffed, then completely owned the FBI.

Look at each event of the Clinton administration and notice the times where the BEST QUALIFIED agency to investigate or handle a particular crime, was taken OFF the CASE.

When you see that happening, then you know it was a CLINTON COVERUP.

Ron Brown.
Vince Foster.
TWA800
Elian Gonzalez.
Waco

just to name a few.

[Sioux-san]

Stephanopolus also mentioned the TWA 800 downing in the same context with the OKC bombing. Why else did Gorelick get on the 9-11 commission? Why didn’t anyone protest her conflict of interest? Bush has no more interest in the truth coming out then Clinton did. This is above and beyond us all, but sure am glad that someone in the Media isn’t rolling over. Thanks, Jack!

[UCANSEE2]

Some other options to consider.

Terrorists were after the El-Al flight, but the TWA800 took off in it’s place. OOPS.

International arms dealer takes foreign visitors out on his launch for party. Someone takes the manpads launcher out and fires it. TWA800 was flying lower than normal and.....

[Professional]

I agree with your thoughts. No way on earth you can keep that many people quiet.

[Professional]

Ok fine. so this one goes unexplained.... But what about the other two planes, in the same area, think from even the same airport, around the same time, that also had everyone lost? Swiss Air, Egypt Air?

3 planes, same area, each with mysterious inconclusiveness...

I’ve never been a fan of coincidence.

[livius]

I would doubt that it was the Navy; how could you keep that many people silent about something they had been involved in? The Muslims want people to believe that it was our Navy, while it was clearly Islamists.

When investigators searched the dunes along Jones Beach (one of the possible launching places for the streak reported by eyewitnesses), they found nothing. But a birdwatcher or one of the other people who frequent the dunes found a tripod and launching debris about 2 weeks afterwards.

I was in Europe when Flight 800 was shot down and some of the reports that very night even said that it had been shot down, possibly from the beach or from a boat near the shore, based on the eyewitness reports. When I got back to the US a few days later, the New York press (I lived in NYC at the time) were still talking about it and inteviewing witnesses. And then there was the discovery of this site on LI, a report that disappeared almost immediately.

Another thing that emerged then and which is never mentioned is that normally, an El Al flight left JFK at that time and would have been crossing that space, but it was delayed that night. This and the fact that the newly pro-Islamist Saddam told his people to look for something glorious in the morning (it would have been morning in Iraq) indicates to me that the plane was shot down by Saddam-connected Islamists, they intended to get an El Al plane, and Clinton has covered up since day one.

[UCANSEE2]

President Bush, and likely you and I, would all be dead if he did as you suggest.

When he took office;

The FBI had been infiltrated and was headed by loyalist Clintonites.

The CIA had been infiltrated by same, and was wearing legal blinders which kept it from sharing knowledge with the FBI.

All the ATTORNEY GENERALS had been replaced with Clintonites.

All goverment positions of importance were replaced with incompetent gays, airhead lesbians, and convicted drug dealers.

Democrat politicians were allowed to know that corruption, bribes, and murder were the tools of the day, and anyone using them to protect the DNC, especially the Clintons, would either be found not guilty or pardoned.

The Clintons bought out the top board members of the MSM and Hollywood producers.

They Clintons had Web Hubbell get a law enacted that states that “Neither the Clintons, nor their staff, nor friends, relatives, or family can be prosecuted or even questioned about any issues related to ETHICS during the Clinton ARKANSAS GOVERNORSHIP.

This is what prompted Bill to say, “stroke of the pen, law of the land, kinda cool”. Not what the MSM told you he said it about.

It takes time to make replacements in government positions, and it isn’t easy to oust politicians (at least legally).

You can’t just fire the entire FBI and CIA on your first day in office.

President BUSH could just have gotten on TV, the first day in office, and said, “Here’s all the TRUTH about everything the CLINTON’S did, and I’m gonna fire everyone in the government and make a new start”.
(This is what you have suggested by your reasoning)

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT?

1.5 days?

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for your response.  What you say makes sense.  What you can't say is why the Navy stated that there were no U.S. Naval exercises in the area on the night of the TWA 800 incident.  When they made that false claim and finally had to own up to the fact that they had a rather sizable operation in the direct vacinity of that incident at that very moment, it completely destroyed their ability to claim anything concerning this event again and be taken serious.

Your view of this is certainly an important viewpoint and I'm not here to say you're take isn't valid.  All I am fairly certain of is that TWA 800 was taken down by a SAM.  Whose SAM that was and what the intent actually was, I don't have any way of knowing at this point.

The FBI and CIA were tasked to take this investigation away from the NTSB for some reason.  Whether we like it or not, we have to consider all options when it comes to a valid reason for that to take place.

I'm not here to definitively say anything, but from my point of view everything remains on the table until sanity re-enters the explaining of the downing of TWA 800.  If I were a member of the US Navy I would wretch at this stance, but as an objective individual I can't see my way clear to think of this in any other terms.

From the focus of my comments it probably seems like I'm focusing on the US Navy in deference to any other entity.  That is because I naturally get more objection from those supportive of the US Navy.  I am more receptive to the idea that a Middle-Eastern player was responsible for what took place.  I just have no way of knowing.

[DoughtyOne]

And that is the problem isn’t it. We can’t be sure what happened in at least four of these cases. In the case of Elian Gonzalez, I think Cliton stacked the deck, but it’s fairly clear what took place.

[LS]

And the answer is that the US Navy shot down all three cause it likes killing civilians? Then covered it up for the hell of it?

REMEMBER: NO TERRORIST HAS EVER BEEN SEEN POSSESSING A "STANDARD"-TYPE MISSILE THAT THESE CONSPIRACY NUTS SAY SHOT DOWN TWA 800, not to mention they wouldn't have the delivery system (i.e., an Aegis cruiser); and a shoulder-fired Stinger was way, way out of range.