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Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?
Jack Cashill ^ | 11/14/07 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/16/2007 10:04:18 PM PST by Sioux-san

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To: LS
Funny how people will cling to any explanation as long as it involves something “mysterious.”

Or better yet if they can blame it on Clinton.

101 posted on 11/18/2007 8:04:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I never meant to imply that what happened on 9/11/2001 was an inside job or anything close. All I am saying is that publicly, Pres. Bush was under siege from the time he took office until that event. Then he got a slight breather before the Left and their useful idiots went into hyper-warp to discredit Bush the man as well as what he was trying to accomplish as the duly elected President. This is Pit-bull mentality on the Democrat side while the Repubs & Conservatives still think they are just playing a friendly game of golf (and BJC even cheats at that).

At some point along the line, the President decided that fighting all this very quietly, behind the scenes, casting no shadow on the previous administration’s malfeasance was the way to go. The Office is bigger than the Man inhabiting it. Dignity and respect and playing by the rules of civilized adults is what the current President has tried to do. The Dems (and Moveon.org) and the Media scorn such behavior as weakness, much like the Communists before and Islamofascists now. It’s sickening that such behavior is now applauded by a large segment of our country aided and abetted by a thoroughly corrupt MSM. The coarsening of everything will be our downfall. America has always been known as the “Good Guys.” I just can’t see how that reputation has much of a future, especially if the Dems prevail.


103 posted on 11/18/2007 8:58:26 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yes Non-Sequitur, we realize you know what every military member was doing on that evening and where every bit of ordinance was. We get it.

What I get is that you form conspiracy theories with no basis in fact, fueled by your own ignorance on the military and how it operates.

Ignorance?  LMAO, there are only two entities that could have shot down TWA 800.  One of them is our armed services and the other would be a terrorist.  We do know the Navy was conducting a classified training exercise under TWA 800 that night.  The Navy lied when they claimed they had no assets in the area.  Care to explain why they would do that?

From my past experience, I have found that people lie when they have something to hide, or they don't want to take responsibility for something they have done.

If you want the slander the military then go right ahead. As a former member of that organization I will continue to defend it and show just how stupid arguments that the Navy shot that plane down are.

The Navy is the one entity that lied about their operations in the area, so please explain to me who besmirched the Navy's reputation with regard to that night.

This comment of yours is based on your misperception of what I have stated.  I have not claimed the Navy shot down TWA 800.  I have said that I am going to keep every possiblity on the table until we get some candor about what actually took TWA 800 down.  There is a difference even if you can't grasp it.

104 posted on 11/18/2007 9:25:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: LS
"The explanatioins for a missile are beyond silly. "

So about 250 mostly separate witnesses, including some pilots, are lying. There was a radar track shown on a TV special.

105 posted on 11/18/2007 9:28:41 AM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: matthew fuller

Check the link on this post up the thread.

It addresses what you have been discussing, the existance of videos related to TWA 800.

Further, there were over 600 witnesses to a missile type object heading toward TWA 800.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927080/posts?page=13#13


106 posted on 11/18/2007 10:20:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks, It’s now saved!


107 posted on 11/18/2007 12:56:19 PM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: Sioux-san

To me, it has NEVER been a question as to whether Flight 800 was shot down. The question is why did the Klinton administration cover it up?


108 posted on 11/18/2007 1:02:34 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton (that includes Osama Hussein OBama too))
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To: matthew fuller

You bet. Take care.


109 posted on 11/18/2007 3:12:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: DoughtyOne
We do know the Navy was conducting a classified training exercise under TWA 800 that night.

Do we?

The Navy is the one entity that lied about their operations in the area, so please explain to me who besmirched the Navy's reputation with regard to that night.

Stating that you believe that the Navy could have been the one who shot down the airliner despite the fact that you can provide no evidence to support it.

110 posted on 11/18/2007 3:13:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; DoughtyOne

“Saying the military did is insane.”

Not necessarily. Who said that it was ‘our’ military???

The exercises being conducted were composed of multi-national forces.

British and Israeli forces had developed protection for their private industry aircraft.
They wanted to prove that their ‘equipped’ passenger craft was protected from SAM’s.
The terrorist middle-east/south american contingent wanted the opposite.

Well, all was OK until the TWA flight took off at the scheduled time for the EL-AL flight, and was on the low end of the flight path. First mistake.

Second, the ‘fake’ terrorists were already on site, out of radio contact, and on their own volition.

They launched and stood by for radio contact.

The Multi-national forces top staffs watched helplessly.

After the missile ‘hit’ the wrong target, the ‘fake’ terrorist launch vessel was recalled from the port position and the multi-national forces were regrouped and prepped for search and recovery operations.


DISCLAIMER:absolutely none of the above is true. ; )


111 posted on 11/18/2007 3:37:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

My Guess: A Presidential election was coming up, the Olympics were on, and BJC and his minions were more concerned about making it look like he had it all under control. How they got away with this is really the fault of our illustrious Press.


112 posted on 11/18/2007 3:48:42 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: syriacus

Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?

Good question.


Short answer: YES. Both were ‘accidents’.

Was the truth really told in either case?????

Short answer: NO. Both were ‘accidents’.


113 posted on 11/18/2007 3:50:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: Non-Sequitur
We do know the Navy was conducting a classified training exercise under TWA 800 that night.

Do we?

I believe that was revealed when the Navy owned up to the training exercise.

The Navy is the one entity that lied about their operations in the area, so please explain to me who besmirched the Navy's reputation with regard to that night.

Stating that you believe that the Navy could have been the one who shot down the airliner despite the fact that you can provide no evidence to support it.

The Navy initially said they didn't have any vessels within something like 130 miles of TWA 800 that night.  That's somewhat different than them having naval vessels within one mile of the TWA 800 flight path.  And the fact that they had three to five vessels in the direct vicinity, means that the Navy was flat out lying for reasons unknown.

I have said that I rule nothing out.  This is equated by you to be a very bad thing to say about the Navy, but the Navy lying isn't a problem for you at all.  The Navy lying didn't make it look bad in your eyes.  That speaks volumes to me.

I love my wife, but if she does something wrong, she has to take ownership of it.  That's basicly the way I feel about the Navy in this instance.  IF it did something wrong, it should own up to it.  And until the TWA 800 indicent is addressed in an honorable manner, I am going to leave all options on the table.

Call me any names you like.  Act as if I have it in for the military the Navy in particular all you want.  I don't really care.

The Navy may be innocent as it can be here, but I didn't force it to lie.  It destroyed it's own credibility on this matter, and there's nothing you or I can do about that.

114 posted on 11/18/2007 3:51:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL, I’ve heard some stuff out there along those lines so I was about to ask you what the basis for your comments were until I reached your disclaimer.


115 posted on 11/18/2007 3:55:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Non-Sequitur

‘Or better yet if they can blame it on Clinton.’


Correct. But this wasn’t the fault of the Clintons.

This was how the Clinton’s got the upper echelon of the military of friendly nations and the US ‘into’ the family.
Clinton covered up for other’s mistakes, handing out exclusives to the media as rewards for staying in line.
Al Gore had the inside control of the airlines via his wife, so they had things all nice and tidy.


116 posted on 11/18/2007 3:57:16 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ve heard some stuff out there along those lines so I was about to ask you what the basis for your comments were until I reached your disclaimer.


DISCLAIMER: I totally just lied


117 posted on 11/18/2007 4:00:00 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yep, that’s what you posted as a definition of your disclaimer.


118 posted on 11/18/2007 4:06:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Sioux-san

Oh come on!! Everyone knows that 747’s have been dropping out of the sky like bugs hitting a zapper!!! That ol’ center fuel tank has now knocked 831 747’s out of the sky!
Ain’t no shootdown hear!! Just those ol center fuel tank vapors a heatin’ up on those 1,000 degree tarmacs!!!


119 posted on 11/18/2007 4:10:30 PM PST by Doc Savage (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants)
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To: DoughtyOne
I believe that was revealed when the Navy owned up to the training exercise.

That was hardly a secret. The Navy had to issue the NOTAMS with the airspace restrictions ahead of time. The fact that some subs were transiting the area was most likely kept secret because the Navy doesn't like to advertise the locations of their subs and there was no part subs could possibly played in the incident anyway. Any other assets were hundreds of miles away. But you'll still look at all that and find a deep, dark conspiracy on the part of the Navy anyway.

The Navy initially said they didn't have any vessels within something like 130 miles of TWA 800 that night. That's somewhat different than them having naval vessels within one mile of the TWA 800 flight path. And the fact that they had three to five vessels in the direct vicinity, means that the Navy was flat out lying for reasons unknown.

The closest surface ship was the Normandy, almost 200 miles away. The three subs that were in the general area are irrelevant since none of them had the capability of lauching a SAM anyway, either deliberately or by accident. And as I said above, the Navy doesn't like to advertise the location of their subs.

I have said that I rule nothing out. This is equated by you to be a very bad thing to say about the Navy, but the Navy lying isn't a problem for you at all. The Navy lying didn't make it look bad in your eyes. That speaks volumes to me.

Obviously you've never been in the military.

The Navy may be innocent as it can be here, but I didn't force it to lie. It destroyed it's own credibility on this matter, and there's nothing you or I can do about that.

I doubt that in your eyes the military had much credibility to begin with.

120 posted on 11/18/2007 5:18:40 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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