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1 posted on 11/17/2007 6:27:49 PM PST by Nathan_Hale76
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To: Nathan_Hale76

And he is absolutely correct.


2 posted on 11/17/2007 6:28:54 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Nathan_Hale76
Yaaaawn.

I'm still trying to determine whether Romney's campaign is a serious attempt to get the presidential nomination, or a missionary outreach effort by LDS.
3 posted on 11/17/2007 6:29:15 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: Nathan_Hale76

This country was founded on religious freedom. Romney’s right.


4 posted on 11/17/2007 6:30:58 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: Nathan_Hale76

These days, attacking people because of their faith is quite American.


6 posted on 11/17/2007 6:31:30 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Nathan_Hale76

Welcome Islam!


8 posted on 11/17/2007 6:32:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Nathan_Hale76

I’m not a Mormon...never BEEN a Mormon...but I’m gonna’ AGREE!!


9 posted on 11/17/2007 6:32:58 PM PST by bannie
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Exactly how is it unAmerican? Is everybody supposed to Kum-ba-yah with Mr. Romney?


10 posted on 11/17/2007 6:33:36 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Nathan_Hale76

Here is an article from Lawrence Kudlow:

http://townhall.com/columnists/LawrenceKudlow/2007/11/17/romney_stands_for_faith


14 posted on 11/17/2007 6:34:57 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: restornu; Reaganesque; Romneyfor President2008; Canticle_of_Deborah; Saundra Duffy

Regardless of whether one supports Romney or not, he’s right on this.


15 posted on 11/17/2007 6:34:59 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Nathan_Hale76
No more un-American than the ACLU trying to destroy Christianity.

Come to think of it, he has a point.

18 posted on 11/17/2007 6:38:14 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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Whether or not I choose Mit over Fred or Duncan will ultimately be decided by who has the best chance of winning. He’s not my first choice, but he is by no means totally unacceptable.

I am not so stupid as to cut off my nose to spite my face as Republicans did in the last election, petulantly refusing to vote and handing congress to the Democrats.

However, the one thing that will NOT be an issue is his Mormonism.

In my experience, most Mormons are hard-working, frugal, patriotic and by-and-large conservative.

Whoever pulled this one out of the hat did himself no favors.


22 posted on 11/17/2007 6:40:03 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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While I agree , there is a risk that he is about to overplay the victim card to the point that it will start to wear negatively on people.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dims are behind the smear though .


23 posted on 11/17/2007 6:40:16 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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I question his commitment to conservative values, not his religious faith.
better Mitt than Rudy, Huck or Paul but why go for the 2nd best when you can have the real thing?

25 posted on 11/17/2007 6:41:57 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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If the name is Islamic. . .has some 'Muslim' in there; do NOT go there. OTOH. .. it is just fine to degrade a red-blooded American Mormon - and for sure a Christian, for that matter; depending on the 'who' behind it.

And while too many Conservatives are wrestleing with doubts; am guessing, that most of the 'hate dabate' re the 'Mormon', is and will be incited, by Hillary's 'Left'. . .

26 posted on 11/17/2007 6:42:05 PM PST by cricket
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The REAL Story of Thanksgiving...

Dead White Guys - Or - What Your History Books Never Told You

November 23, 2005

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: From my second bestseller, “See, I Told You So, “”Chapter 6, “Dead White guys, or What the History Books Never Told You: The True Story of Thanksgiving.” The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century (that’s the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California). The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their beliefs.

A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences.

On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.

The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work.

But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford’s detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves.

And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims – including Bradford’s own wife – died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats. Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!

This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New Testaments.

Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the community as well.

They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. Nobody owned anything. They just had a share in it. It was a commune, folks. It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the ‘60s and ‘70s out in California – and it was complete with organic vegetables, by the way.

Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace.

That’s right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism. And what happened? It didn’t work! Surprise, surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation!

But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild’s history lesson If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future.

“The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,” Bradford wrote. “For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children without any recompense...that was thought injustice.”

Why should you work for other people when you can’t work for yourself? What’s the point?

Do you hear what he was saying, ladies and gentlemen? The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford’s community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result?

“This had very good success,” wrote Bradford, “for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.” Bradford doesn’t sound like much of a Clintonite, does he? Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes. Read the story of Joseph and Pharaoh in Genesis 41. Following Joseph’s suggestion (Gen 41:34), Pharaoh reduced the tax on Egyptians to 20% during the “seven years of plenty” and the “Earth brought forth in heaps.” (Gen. 41:47)

In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves.

Now, this is where it gets really good, folks, if you’re laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school.

So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the “Great Puritan Migration.” Now, you probably haven’t read this. You might have heard me read it to you over the previous years on this program, but I don’t think this lesson is still being taught to children — and if not, why not? I mean, is there a more important lesson one could derive from the Pilgrim experience than this? Thanksgiving, in other words, is not thanks to the Indians, and it’s not thanks to William Bradford. It’s not thanks to the merchants of London. Thanksgiving is thanks to God, pure and simple. Go read the first Thanksgiving proclamation from George Washington and you’ll get the point. The word “God” is mentioned in that first Thanksgiving proclamation more times... If you read it aloud to an ACLU member, you’ll get thrown in jail, but that’s what the first Thanksgiving was all about. Get it. I’m telling you, read it. Maybe we can find it and link to it: George Washington’s first Thanksgiving Proclamation. Folks, if you haven’t read that, you need to read it. It will tell you the true story of Thanksgiving. I’m happy to share it with you each and every year as a tradition on this program.

END TRANSCRIPT — LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT!


28 posted on 11/17/2007 6:43:02 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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If Romney would keep it at, "I'm a Mormon, and my faith is none of your business", then he's on solid ground, and he can win my vote.

But he and his supporters keep pushing it to, "I'm a Mormon, which is a type of Christianity, and my faith is none of your business". This is a deal-breaker for millions of people.

Members of the LDS really need to get it through their heads - the vast majority of Christians in America are happy having them as friends, neighbors, and political allies, but we do NOT believe that they are Christians, and we are obligated to tell them so.

And if the LDS as an organization keeps trying to use Romney's candidacy to blur the line between Christianity and Mormonism, there is going to be a backlash.
40 posted on 11/17/2007 7:06:51 PM PST by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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The Constitution expressly does not allow for a “religious test” to hold office. The “no religious test” clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that: “ ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.


43 posted on 11/17/2007 7:22:41 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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I could care less about about his religion right now.

I care more about his being a flip flopping mass politician trying to sell conservatives he’s the progeny of Ronald Reagan, Goldwater and Limbaugh.

I know I’m supposed to denounce people making statements about his religion, but honestly, that’s been done. he and his syncophants have been talking about it forever. Some with cause, some not. Infact the first memory I have of his religion was hugh Hewit launching a pre-emptive attack before anything had ever really been said of it.

the appropriate denouncements have been made more then once by conservatives from coast to coast. I’m not being baited into doing it again playing on political territory he feels at home on. I’d rather hear more about this socialist healthcare plan he has that makes abortions affordable or the fact he took the same damn position on the Human life amendment as thompson...for which he and his buddies denounced Thompson.

I’d rather hear why he’s been running for this position for a couple of years and has failed to put out any real lan on illeal immigration or entitlements.


47 posted on 11/17/2007 7:44:24 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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Those push-polls are a lethal, poisonous tactic.


48 posted on 11/17/2007 7:49:21 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Nathan_Hale76

Religious bigotry is what has destroyed Iraq, what has caused problems in Northern Ireland. That’s what makes America great — freedom of religion.


50 posted on 11/17/2007 7:56:31 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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