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1 posted on 11/18/2007 7:55:37 PM PST by devere
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To: devere

I thought this was an “unnecessary war” (thats what the Dems say) ...it sounds like its done exactly what we needed it to


2 posted on 11/18/2007 7:58:47 PM PST by woofie
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To: devere

Paragraphs are our friends.

In FR, one inserts a paragraph with a < p > (excluding the blanks I had to insert to make it appear at all).

Good luck with that.


3 posted on 11/18/2007 8:00:53 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mitt bit the apple. Hillary will stuff it down your throat!)
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To: devere

Now the story line is “Sure the Surge worked, but the Iraqi Govt has failed”

Never ends with these folks.


4 posted on 11/18/2007 8:03:24 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: devere

Today’s majority of today’s US Media is being run by folks that are largely GAY (the NY Times Editorial board doesn’t call ITSELF “The Gay Mafia” for nothing”), and overwhelmingly Leftist.

Anything that doesn’t meet the pre-planned “Hurt Bush” line is not going to get coverage, because it doesn’t help to advance the “Gay Civil Rights” agenda.

If CNN was willing to lie for Saddam, just what do you thimk they will be willing to do getting Hillary elected?
Rigging debates is just THE BEGINNING.....


5 posted on 11/18/2007 8:06:16 PM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: devere
Yes, it has been a two front war, and that is why our soldiers and the military infrastructure here should be congratulated two fold.

The Clinton appointed 5th column at CIA that produced Plame/Wilson has been defeated.

The MSM and its propaganda machine has been defeated.

The Traitorous Democrat Reps in the House have been defeated.

Michael Moore and his leftist whackos have been defeated

And Islamofascism has been defeated in the ME.

These were all defeated by a bunch of volunteer kids who could carry rifles, shoot straight, and love their country enough to put their collective lives on the line. They have done it all.

And who among the Republican and Democrt candidates knows this and celebrates it every time he or she ( it)gets up to speak?

Only Duncan Hunter.

Support him by going to his web site and donating to his campaign. Without him as president, all that accomplishment will disappear like dust in the wind, as if it never mattered and never happened.

https://contribute.gohunter08.com/contribute.asp

7 posted on 11/18/2007 8:13:24 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: devere
How can Kelly suggest the following:

It may have been a mistake for the United States to go to war in Iraq.

Given that Bin Laden has said this:

The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this third world war, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation," Osama bin Laden said in an audiotape posted on Islamic Web sites in December 2004. "It is raging in the land of the Two Rivers. The world's millstone and pillar is Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate."

By going into Iraq, Bush has destroyed Bin Laden's ability to reconstitute the Caliphate. Checkmate, end of game.

8 posted on 11/18/2007 8:16:44 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: devere

Great story - thanks for the post.


9 posted on 11/18/2007 8:21:05 PM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: devere; Allegra
Reading the military blogs, and the people who are actually there, it has been amazing to watch the silence of our press concerning Iraqi progress for the last few months. It has been going very well there from what I understand. Interesting there was no question about the Iraq war on the CNN Democrat debate propaganda piece last week, yes?

Who will be the first to tell Ron Paul and Harry Reid that we won?

11 posted on 11/18/2007 8:31:27 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: devere; Allegra

ping.

Stay safe.


14 posted on 11/18/2007 8:47:24 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: devere

If this had been Clinton’s war, or a war led by any Democrat, things would be a lot different.

But since it was started and led by a Republican administration, there is no substitute for defeat in the minds of the MSM.

They can’t, absolutely CAN NOT, allow a victory to occur because that might jeopardize the chances for a Democrat victory in 2008. They would rather see 9/11 times 10 happen than to accept that. (As long as they, personally, are not killed.)


20 posted on 11/18/2007 9:01:10 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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‘Special Report’ Panel on Majority Leader Reid’s Latest Tactics

Friday, November 16, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311939,00.html

This is a rush transcript of “Special Report With Brit Hume” from November 15, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN HARRY REID, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, D-NEV.: The marines can go until sometime in March, and the army can go until late in February. And those are very conservative figures.

I am confident that if we did not give them another penny, they could go for another six months.

ROBERT GATES, DEFENSE SECRETARY: The high degree of uncertainty on funding for the war is immensely complicating this task and will have many real consequences for this department and for our men and women in uniform.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BRIT HUME, HOST: So what are these guys talking about? Well it is this — the Congress has passed and sent to the president something like a $470 billion Appropriations Bill to cover the Defense Department generally.

This war, however, in Iraq and Afghanistan, are being covered separately on separate funding measures, and the president has asked for something along the order of $200 billion for those, and he is not, apparently, going to get it.
Related

They are passing pieces of it, which contain restrictions that he finds unacceptable, which can’t even really pass the congress as a whole, and they are holding back the funds, Harry Reid arguing, and Nancy Pelosi as well, one presumes, that they can reprogram some of this other money and keep the whole thing going. Some thoughts on this whole controversy now from Fred Barnes, the executive editor of The Weekly Standard, Mara Liasson, national political correspondent of National Public Radio, and Mort Kondrake, the executive editor of Roll Call — FOX News contributors all.

Let’s talk a little bit about this issue, where it is going, who it is effecting, and who is right in the argument over whether holding this money for now affects anything.

MORT KONDRAKE, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, ROLL CALL: It does affect things. The Pentagon can reprogrammed some money in order to keep the troops supplied for awhile without this bridge money being passed, but the, as Harry Reid even acknowledges, the money runs out, and the troops are in danger.

Basically what the Democrats are doing is playing chicken with the lives and well-being of our soldiers in the field, ultimately. And Bush already plans to do one of the things that’s required in this, and that is to start redeploying troops.

HUME: One unit is already home, I think.

KONDRAKE: Right, exactly.

So the issue is over whether you set a goal of everybody out by the end of 2008. Even Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama acknowledged that all troops will not be out of Iraq by even the end of their first term, they’re not even saying.

So this is more extreme than even with the Democratic presidential candidates are saying. And I believe Dana Perino is exactly right —

HUME: White House spokesman.

KONDRAKE: White House spokesman — that the Democrats were going to drop this whole matter. Then Moveon.org and Code Pink started blaring at them, and they decided that they had to revisit this thing again and impose more restrictions. And it is unconscionable, frankly.

MARA LIASSON, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO: I do think the Democrats are caught between their inability to actually stop the war — and they certainly have tried enough times, and we’ve established the fact that they do not have the votes to do that — and the desire of their base, which is unhappy.

And one of the reasons the congress is so unpopular is because the Democratic Congress has lost a lot of support among liberal, antiwar voters who thought they were elected to end the war.

HUME: We have a couple poll numbers that are relevant to what you’re saying, Mara. This Fox News opinion dynamics poll on the congress’ job approval shows that it’s virtually unchanged since less than a month ago. The disapproval number appears to have kicked up.

Let’s look at this on the troop surge, which a lot of people were very skeptical of for a long time. Back in September you had a small plurality saying that it had led to improvements, with fully 45 percent saying it made no difference.

Look at now — 59 to 32 improvement over not made a difference. So public opinion on that appears to be shifting.

I wonder, Fred, if the political hazards that the Democrats face here- -and, obviously they are caught between the fact that the left does not want them to give an inch on this, and that public opinion may be shifting on whether the war is going better — that they may be it in real trouble here politically.

FRED BARNES, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, WEEKLY STANDARD: I think they are in real trouble.

I happened to be at the lunch three or four weeks ago when Nancy Pelosi announced that they would not have any more Iraq votes. They had tried, but those horrible Republicans had blocked them, and they were going to move onto other issues.

And now they’re back again. They’ve had their chain jerked by some of the lefties in their party, and they responded.

Historically, though, let’s just remember one thing. In the 2000 election, Democrats did not run on a promise of ending the war in Iraq.

HUME: In 2004?

BARNES: No, they never ran on that in 2006. They were critical of the war. They never said they would “Vote for us, we will end the war in Iraq.”

LIASSON: Plenty of Democratic candidates did say that.

BARNES: I do not think many did at all, and, certainly, none of Rob Emanuel’s favorites, all these moderates.

Some of the Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, are in a state of total denial. They pretend that the civil war is still going on in Iraq full speed — of course it is not. They pretend that Al Qaeda is still a huge force there — they have practically been defeated. Al Qaeda has no strongholds anywhere in Iraq anymore.

It still exists, and they can still kill —

HUME: So what are the political consequences of this? How is it going to play out?

BARNES: The political consequence is, if the progress continues, and we are a year from now when the election comes up, and Democrats are still pretending like the war, as Harry Reid said six months ago, is lost, they will have no credibility whatsoever.

HUME: Do you agree with that, Mara? Do you think that is a danger for them?

LIASSON: I don’t know. I think if things really changed, and these improvements continue to grow, it could be a problem. But I think the Democrats have plenty of time to adjust.

KONDRAKE: I agree with that. There is a long way to go. There has to be some political progress on the ground, or else the public will be turned off to this. But if there is, the Democrats are in bad shape.


26 posted on 11/18/2007 9:16:16 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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"We've won the war in the real Iraq, but few people in America are familiar with anything other than its make-believe version"

Example


27 posted on 11/18/2007 9:26:24 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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Ping


29 posted on 11/18/2007 9:30:33 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: devere

save


30 posted on 11/18/2007 9:32:28 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: devere
What I think should not be missed is a formal celebration of the end of Al Qeada in Iraq. It would be important for a number of reasons:

1) It would mark the official end of the Iraqi war and America's involvement against Al Qeada in Iraq
2) As such it can be pointed out as a victory for the coalition of the willing
3) The Republican politicians, the military and many supporters can point to an indisputable victory that they so valiantly fought for over the many years
4) Iraqis can mark it to celebrate the coming together of their nation against the anti-democracy forces of radicalism

WWII had its day of celebration (VE Day) and it is important psychologically for the nation to recognize it and move forward.

37 posted on 11/18/2007 10:15:40 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: devere

bump


39 posted on 11/18/2007 10:27:18 PM PST by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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“I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.” William Tecumseh Sherman


41 posted on 11/18/2007 10:41:38 PM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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ping


46 posted on 11/19/2007 3:21:17 AM PST by N2Gems
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To: jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; ...

Iraq ping.


48 posted on 11/19/2007 8:39:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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"Richard Benedetto was for many years the White House correspondent for USA Today. Now retired, he teaches journalism at American University in Washington, D.C.

When U.S. troop deaths hit a monthly high in April, that was front-page news in most major newspapers, Mr. Benedetto noted. But when U.S. troop deaths fell in October to their lowest levels in 17 months, that news was buried on page A-14 of The Washington Post and mentioned on Page A-12 in The New York Times. (The Post-Gazette put the story on the front page.)

"I asked the class if burying or ignoring the story indicated an anti-war bias on the part of the editors or their papers," Mr. Benedetto said. "While some students said yes ... most attributed the decision to poor news judgment. They were being generous."

What is the chance you would ever here this taught and discussed at the Columbia School of Journalism?

49 posted on 11/19/2007 8:51:25 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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