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Freddie Mac's subprime losses may hit $5 billion: CS
Yahoo ^ | 11/19/07 | Reuters

Posted on 11/19/2007 8:58:35 AM PST by Moonman62

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Freddie Mac (NYSE:FRE - News) may report a loss of between $1 billion to $5 billion on its subprime AAA portfolio, Credit Suisse said on Monday, sending shares in the second-largest U.S. mortgage finance company sharply lower.

"While Freddie's AAA subprime securities likely have substantial subordination, if the recent credit spread widening does not reverse over the coming quarters, we believe that Freddie could recognize an other-than-temporary impairment of between $1-5 billion," the brokerage said in a research note.

The losses may force Freddie to sell some of its portfolio holdings or raise capital by issuing preferred stock, the note added.

Freddie shares fell 8.6 percent to $37.24.

Separately, a brokerage downgraded its recommendation on Freddie's larger mortgage-finance cousin, Fannie Mae (NYSE:FNM - News). Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Inc. said it was downgrading Fannie to market perform from outperform and cut its price target on the stock to $35 from $60.

"We now believe the stock will trade close to book value over the next few quarters due to the uncertainty of the impact from the continued deterioration in the housing market and rising credit losses," the brokerage said.

On Monday morning, Fannie shares were down 7.3 percent at $37.70.

(Reporting by Patrick Rucker, Editing by Tom Hals)


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: subprime

1 posted on 11/19/2007 8:58:36 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62

WE’RE DOMED!


2 posted on 11/19/2007 9:08:09 AM PST by Thrusher ("Pacifists believe they have the right not to kill, but others always die in defense of that right.")
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To: Moonman62
Speaking of Freddie Mac, from 2002...

Why Not Just Give Them A Roomful Of Gold? Or: Immigration - Just Another Government Program

3 posted on 11/19/2007 9:12:45 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Dude, VDARE?

c’mon...


4 posted on 11/19/2007 9:13:36 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: RockinRight
Well, then hows about from Freddie Mac's own website...

NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA TO OFFER CREDITSMART® HOMEOWNERSHIP PRESERVATION MATERIALS

5 posted on 11/19/2007 9:16:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: RockinRight
And again from Freddie Mac...

FREDDIE MAC, ACORN, CHASE LAUNCH CAMPAIGN IN PROVIDENCE TO HELP MORE MINORITIES REALIZE THEY MAY QUALIFY TO BUY A HOME

Are you familiar with ACORN?

6 posted on 11/19/2007 9:19:04 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Moonman62

“...subprime AAA portfolio...”

Why does my brain go into vapor-lock when I read this?


7 posted on 11/19/2007 9:32:18 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Countrywide recently said that its newer and supposedly better screened subprime mortgages are selling well in the secondary market. Even with the old subprime loans, 80% of them still have on time payments.


8 posted on 11/19/2007 9:45:07 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Thrusher
WE’RE DOMED!

Yup, we are domed.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 10:10:19 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Moonman62

I heard that as well.

When I hear “AAA” in connection with rating debt, I don’t expect to hear “80% on-time payments” — I expect to hear something like 99.mumble% on-time payments.


10 posted on 11/19/2007 10:13:04 AM PST by NVDave
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To: ARE SOLE; Calpernia; cbkaty; Nervous Tick; ex-Texan; RockinRight; NVDave; Neidermeyer; ...

Economy/Credit/Housing Issues Ping List

If you want on or off this list let me know.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 10:17:55 AM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: NVDave
Those probably aren't true AAA. But I think the concept of subprime loans packaged for investors works well if they are done right.

On another topic, have you looked at bond yields today, or in past couple of weeks? The Fed is falling way behind the curve once again.

12 posted on 11/19/2007 10:37:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: NVDave

The 80% on-time sounds about right, in comparison with the ABX. 07 AAA’s are quoting low 70’s, high 60’s.


13 posted on 11/19/2007 10:57:33 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Thrusher

Speaking of domes, how is their alt-A?


14 posted on 11/19/2007 11:39:22 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Moonman62

Yea, I noticed that. Your thoughts on whether they’re going to cut again, given the signals coming out of various governors that they might not want to after the previous 75 bp?

The only thing I can think of on this (no stunning insights to a person of your experience, for sure): no cut, the market swoons big. Cut, the dollar swoons more, and makes the Bush admin look out of step with the Fed.


15 posted on 11/19/2007 12:10:44 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Rutles4Ever

Yes, you’re right about where the market is pricing this stuff.

I’m going back to “what does a AAA rating signify to a bond buyer?” sort of thing. When I see a “AAA” rating on something, I think in terms of:

1. US Treasuries.
2. The seven or eight companies out of all companies on the US exchanges who can issue AAA corporate debt.
3. A stable debt environment in which these bonds are issued.

Anything coming out of the subprime mortgage space meets none of those qualifications. I don’t care how it is sliced, diced or re-packaged. Let’s think about this a sec: these mortgages are called “subprime” because they’re being made to people with low FICO scores or other credit issues (eg, stated income, etc). So we have, in effect, one credit rating agency (Fair, Isaac & Co) saying “This borrower isn’t a prime rate borrower” and the bank making the loan agreeing with this assessment (because they’re writing a subprime loan to the borrower), but then we have Fitch’s (or S&P or Moody’s) saying “This is AAA debt - gilt edged!” (or Aaa, etc) because some bunch of financial “engineers” creating some synthetic instrument that is supposed to make it as good as a gilt.

That’s where I get really PO’ed in this whole situation. This is a classic case of putting lip gloss on a pig and trying to parade it down the runway of a fashion show...


16 posted on 11/19/2007 12:17:04 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave
The problem with the Fed is they have already made the proclamation that everything is in balance, thus they are only giving credibility to data that supports their conclusion, and ignoring all else. It's not unlike Bernanke going around for months saying subprime was contained, right up until last August when the credit crunch hit.

As far as the dollar goes there needs to be coordinated intervention to strengthen it or to hold the line while the Fed eases. For the past couple of years, the European Central Bank has complained about oil prices causing inflation, so they keep hiking their rates (in spite of some very high unemployment rates in some of their countries). Thus they have exacerbated the dollar's weakness, causing higher oil prices since oil is priced in dollars, and making their perceived cause of inflation worse. It makes no sense.

Intervention also drives speculators out of the market. People complain about stock market and housing bubbles, but nobody complains about a weak dollar bubble. Why not?

Some people will complain that intervention doesn't add any real value to the dollar, but I counter that it will return the dollar more to a fair value based on the above reasoning and will give the Fed room to lower rates.

And I'm no expert, but I keep an open mind, and realize that while most central bankers are very smart, they are human and susceptible to the same cognitive errors as anyone else, and that central banks mimic each other and have been making the same institutional errors for decades.

17 posted on 11/19/2007 12:38:55 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: RockinRight

Great website


18 posted on 11/19/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw

Well...JimRob doesn’t allow postings from there, and the reason is that it’s full of racist vitrol, even if they do blind-squirrel it once in a while.


19 posted on 11/19/2007 1:02:29 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: NVDave
I'm predicting a complete gov't bailout for the lenders who got into the subprime mess. Remember, moi stated when the banks got Congress to re-write the bankruptcy laws, there would be no end to them coming back and wanting 'do-overs'.
20 posted on 11/20/2007 7:42:04 PM PST by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than nearly all Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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