Skip to comments.The Proliferation Dodge--The shocking facts revealed by Saddam's untranslated documents.
Posted on 11/20/2007 5:49:44 AM PST by SJackson
According to foreign reports, Israel destroyed a nuclear weapons installation in Syria in September. Never has a larger story been pushed under the rug by so many so quickly. What are we to make of this?
Over the weekend former federal prosecutor and the head of the non-governmental International Intelligence Summit, John Loftus, released a report on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. His report was based on a private study of captured Iraqi documents. These were the unread Arabic language documents that U.S. forces seized, but had not managed to translate after overthrowing Saddam Hussein in 2003.
After a prolonged battle between Congress and then director of U.S. National Intelligence John Negroponte, President George W. Bush ordered those documents posted on a public access Web site last year. They were taken down after it was discovered that among the Iraqi documents were precise descriptions of how to build nuclear weapons.
As Loftus summarized, "The gist of the new evidence is this: Roughly one-quarter of Saddam's WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990s. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid-to-late-1990's. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam's nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003. His nuclear weapons equipment was hidden in enormous underwater warehouses beneath the Euphrates River. Saddam's entire nuclear inventory was later stolen from these warehouses right out from under the Americans' noses."
Loftus then cites Israeli sources who claim that the Iraqi nuclear program was transferred to the Deir az Zour province in Syria.
Loftus's report jibes with a report published on the Web site of Kuwait's Al Seyassah's newspaper on September 25, 2006. That report, which I noted last November, cited European intelligence sources and claimed that in late 2004 Syria began developing a nuclear program near its border with Turkey. Syria's program, which was run by President Bashar Assad's brother Maher and defended by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards brigade, had by mid-2006 "reached the stage of medium activity." The Kuwaiti report stated that the Syrian nuclear program was based "on equipment and materials that the sons of the deposed Iraqi leader, Uday and Qusai transferred to Syria by using dozens of civilian trucks and trains, before and after the U.S.-British invasion in March 2003." The program, which was run by Iranians with assistance from Iraqi scientists and scientists from the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union, "was originally built on the remains of the Iraqi program after it was wholly transferred to Syria."
These reports and several others like them which have surfaced over the past several years tell us interesting and disturbing things. First, they show just how difficult it is to gather accurate information on the status of weapons of mass destruction programs.
From 1991 Gulf War until the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs were a top issue on the international agenda. And yet, year in and year out, UN inspectors, who were on the ground throughout most of the period, failed to provide an accurate picture of those programs. Indeed, the documents and reports regarding the transfer of those programs to Syria show those inspection reports were wildly off the mark.
And not only did the UN fail. The U.S. itself also failed. After invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam's regime, the U.S. military and intelligence arms took almost no action to ensure that suspected sites were secured and searched. The U.S. failed to pursue clear intelligence reports indicating that in the weeks before the invasion, suspicious truck convoys had traveled from Iraq to Syria carrying what were presumed to be weapons of mass destruction components.
As for Syria, still today, after Israel reportedly destroyed the Syrian nuclear installation at Deir az Zour, the U.S. and the international community as a whole behave as though nothing is out of order. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with her Syrian counterpart Waleed Muallem on November 3 and invited Syria to demand the Golan Heights from Israel at her peace conference at Annapolis later this month.
The Syrian and Iraqi cases also show that political courage and intellectual honesty are the keys to intelligence collection and analysis regarding weapons of mass destruction programs. When leaders and intelligence officials are uninterested in finding information about these programs, they are guaranteed to discover nothing. And when they wish to do nothing about information that they have, they can easily argue that their information was inconclusive. In contrast, if they decide to act on intelligence information that challenges preconceived notions and entrenched political interests, they are guaranteed to suffer the condemnations of those who have an interest in continuing to downplay or deny the dangers those programs manifest.
Against the backdrop of the international and American inability and unwillingness to handle the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear programs, the reports coming out from Iran regarding the mullocracy's nuclear program and the American and Israeli responses to it are nothing less than terrifying.
Last week, the IAEA acknowledged that Iran is currently operating 3,000 centrifuges. At this rate of uranium enrichment, Iran will be capable of producing an atomic bomb in a year. This means that diplomacy today is a dead letter. It is too late to talk Iran out of its nuclear program.
Perhaps more disturbing than the IAEA report - written by Muhammad El Baradei, who with the exception of the mullahs themselves is probably the man least interested in taking action against Iran's program - were the Israeli and U.S. responses to it. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert reportedly told his ministers that Israel needs to develop contingencies for the day after Iran joins the nuclear club.
The U.S. is not merely developing contingencies for the day after. It is working to whitewash Iran's role in fomenting the insurgency in Iraq in an effort to restart direct negotiations with Teheran. According to the New York Sun, Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates are so eager to ascribe a decrease in Iraqi violence to Iran that they are willing to pooh-pooh the U.S. military's own achievements in its "surge" in Iraq.
The danger implicit in the U.S. and Israeli decisions to plan for the day after Iran gets the bomb is made clear by two recent developments.
First, Sunday The New York Times reported that since Sept. 11, the U.S. has been assisting the Pakistanis in securing their nuclear facilities. Speaking to the Times, John E. McLaughlin, the former deputy director of the CIA, said, "I am confident of two things, that the Pakistanis are very serious about securing this material, but also that someone in Pakistan is very intent on getting their hands on it."
This story makes clear that even if a regime is considered trustworthy, if threatened by jihadists there is a danger that its nuclear weapons will fall into their hands. If that happens, the notion of deterrence is thrown out the window.
The latest developments in the investigation of the 1994 bombing of the AMIA Jewish center in Buenos Aires provide even more reason for worry. Thirteen years ago, Iran ordered its terror arm Hizbullah to attack the AMIA building. Eighty-five people were killed.
Two weeks ago, Argentina requested that Interpol issue international arrest warrants against five Iranians and one Lebanese man implicated in the bombing. Interpol complied. Last week, Iran responded to Interpol's move by demanding that Interpol issue arrest warrants against five Argentines involved in the investigation of the AMIA bombing. Iran accused them of the "crime" of insulting Iran.
This is an unsettling state of affairs on several levels. The AMIA bombing involved a state contracting a terror group to carry out a massive attack against innocent civilians simply because they were Jewish. For years, for political reasons, the Argentine government derailed its own investigation of the attack. Indeed, it took 14 long years for Argentina to request that Interpol issue arrest warrants.
And then, in a sign of contempt for the international community, Iran announced its counter-warrant demand. And the world has said nothing.
The point is, even if one believes the dubious argument that the Iranian regime can be trusted with nuclear weapons, given the AMIA precedent there is no reason to doubt that Iran would eventually transfer its weapons to Hizbullah or some other Iranian terror group to detonate in Israel.
What the Iranians learned, and indeed what Israel should have learned from the investigation of the AMIA bombing, is that no one will automatically point a finger at Iran for an attack carried out by Iran's terror proxies.
And so we return to Iran's nuclear bomb program, which like the Syrian and Iraqi programs, is partially hidden from view, but which the pro-Iranian IAEA claims is years away from completion. And we return to the U.S. and Israel acting as though it is possible to live with a nuclear-armed Iran.
We look at all of this, and we ask: How can Washington and Jerusalem be so irresponsible? We look at Olmert's reported willingness to countenance a nuclear-armed Iran, and we wonder, how can he try to wish away an impending threat of nuclear annihilation?
Another article, maybe the US press will report the story one day.
May be but I doubt it.
The real story is how friendly Assad was with Dianne Sawyer, isn’t it?
And people say he didn’t have any. Now they’ve been proven wrong, and the program is still progressing. Maybe Israel got rid of a part of it?
As Loftus summarized, “The gist of the new evidence is this: Roughly one-quarter of Saddam’s WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990s. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid-to-late-1990’s. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam’s nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003. His nuclear weapons equipment was hidden in enormous underwater warehouses beneath the Euphrates River. Saddam’s entire nuclear inventory was later stolen from these warehouses right out from under the Americans’ noses.”
And people say he didnt have any. Now theyve been proven wrong, and the program is still progressing. Maybe Israel got rid of a part of it?
I don’t know if I was dreaming or not but I think I remember when the invasion first started seeing pictures of trucks leaving Iraq. Does anyone remember this happening. It was the only time I saw or heard anything about the trucks until now.
There was a lengthy video of these trucks on the History Channel several years ago. Some freepers besides me have stated they’ve seen these shots of both the underground labs and the trucks, filmed with night vision cameras as they leftr Iraq and went into Syria.
There was a lengthy video of these trucks on the History Channel several years ago. Some freepers besides me have stated theyve seen these shots of both the underground labs and the trucks, filmed with night vision cameras as they leftr Iraq and went into Syria.
That’s it - I saw those pictures. Why haven’t FOX or some conservative group brought these pic to light rather than have the dems scream for all these years no WMDs? Saddam certainly wasn’t moving bananas in the middle of the night.
...maybe the US press will report the story one day.
Not holding your breath, I hope.
That is the most disturbing analysis of the September Israeli raid that I have read to date, and it sure sounds plausible to me. I’ve developed a pretty fine BS filter on these things over the years, and this one scares the living hell out of me.
This also demonstrates that the views from overseas on these issues are frequently much, much different from Washington’s, and are certainly well worth considering.
I have no doubt that the NYT will report this, but only after the Iranians have turned Tel Aviv into a glowing crater...and even then, the NYT will only cover the story in the context of blaming Bush for NOT having talked the Iranians out of committing genocide.
I don’t know. I was impressed by the way the Israelis handled this story. Israel wasn’t in your face about their activities in Syria. And Israel’s other Arab neighbors repaid Israel’s tact by looking the other way.
The Israelis were much less discreet about their activities after they bombed the Iraqis nuclear a couple decades back. I’ve read they felt they made a mistake by trumpeting their triumph.
Both Iran and the USA have taken note of the way the Israelis handled the Syrian nuclear facility.
I’ve tried to find the show on the history channel and can’t and don’t know how to make waves. It’s out there somewhere and was the most powerful documentary I’ve ever seen. And it just disappeared. Troubling.
That’s very strange. Maybe someone on FR will help find it. It would be something I would like Reid, Pelosi and the gang to explain away. Oh, they would take the bananas explanation.
Ive tried to find the show on the history channel and cant and dont know how to make waves
Well for starters we can send it to our address books and ask them to send it on. The FOX News and ask them to find out what was going on there and why weren’t the pics shown more and then go on from there - maybe republican politicians or pundits.
“The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddams nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003. His nuclear weapons equipment was hidden in enormous underwater warehouses beneath the Euphrates River. Saddams entire nuclear inventory was later stolen from these warehouses right out from under the Americans noses.”
Has anyone seen these enormous underwater warehouses? Where along the Euphrates were they located? If they exist, why haven’t there been pictures or film of them?
Good plan. Let’s see what we can “unearth”.
Good plan. Lets see what we can unearth.
I'm wondering the same...
But wouldn't it be easier to have some Iraqi tell us where the entrances were/are? That is, if there actually were underwater "warehouses".
Off-the-shelf marine depth sounders, sonar, and plotters, (or a PC runnning a plotting program --- there are quite few to choose from) could be rigged up, and searches made for anomalies, which could then be investigated in greater detail.
I don't know how far North the Euphrates is navigatable, though a very shallow draft boat would suffice, as long as it could carry some limited equipment, including a genset. Which leads me to think that one could go quite a ways. Besides, if access was not from the bank of the river, but instead, simply straight down somewhwere near the middle of the river, then the depth would need to float a fairly good sized barge, I'd guess.
We wouldn't have to send Clive Cussler's boys to do it, either. I'd do it for pretty cheap, as long as it was all contracted "cost plus"!
Are the documents public? Link?
If we have have to just take the word of someone, watch out for "Curveball - Part II".
jveritas can provide more info. Some translations are public, some are on FR, but less than 5% are translated. It’s my understanding that far more than 5% are public, but in Arabic.
LOL! Maybe, as part of a historical documentary, decades from now.
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Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo
“Has anyone seen these enormous underwater warehouses? Where along the Euphrates were they located? If they exist, why havent there been pictures or film of them?”
Count me a skeptic too, if this were true why is this the first time these underwater warehouses have ever been mentioned?
Surely someone here would have heard of this before now.
I hope Olmert is only putting out disinformation. If his statement is sincere, then Israel is in mortal danger.
Well, it’s about time...That is exactly what is described in the following Book by authors Hamza and Stein...Hamza was one of the very top scientists and he said there was a huge underground facility under where the work on developing a nuke went on, at one time over 10,000 people worked on the project. The top scientists were hand-picked by Hussein and were tightly controlled by him..
“Saddam’s Bombmaker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda” (Hardcover)
by Khidhir Hamza (Author), Jeff Stein (Author)
5 to 6 April 2003
It is alleged that during the night of 5 to 6 April 2003, Saddam Hussein’s entire chemical weapons arsenal, which reportedly includes hundreds of artillery rockets for truck mounted Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), travels from Tikrit in Iraq to eastern Syria. Reportedly the weapons are subsequently stored near the town of Kamishli (Al-Qamishli), a town on the Syria - Turkey border.
[This report has been included for completeness but should be treated as of uncertain value pending more substantial confirmation.]
—Yossef Bodansky, The Secret History of the Iraq War (New York: Regan Books, 2004), pp. 232 and 438.
Your scenario sent chills up my spine. I pray to God you are not correct.
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