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Will OPEC Dump the Dollar? [Our Arab Oil Giants "friends"]
businessweek ^ | 11/21/07

Posted on 11/22/2007 9:14:37 AM PST by PRePublic

Will OPEC Dump the Dollar?

BusinessWeek

Iran is pushing OPEC to shift away from pricing oil in dollars and instead to a basket of currencies that could include the euro. ...

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/nov2007/gb20071120_087338.htm?chan=globalbiz_europe+index+page_companies

(Excerpt) Read more at businessweek.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; arabs; bahrain; dollar; energy; lobby; muslims; oil; oillobby; oman; opec; qatar; reservecurrency; saudiarabia; uae
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To: snarks_when_bored

Ain’t gonna happen.


21 posted on 11/22/2007 10:07:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: steve8714
When the shiite hits the fan, they’ll all want dollars.

What makes you think they'll want a currency that is going over Niagara Falls in value?

22 posted on 11/22/2007 10:08:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: pepsionice

You also forget that the economies of France and Germany are not on the most stable footing, either. That right there threatens the Euro, since the economies of these two countries more or less props up the currency.


23 posted on 11/22/2007 10:16:57 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Travis McGee

Actually currency is only a medium of exchange and is converted into other entities right away. Nobody but Scrooge McDuck keeps currency around beyond walking around money.


24 posted on 11/22/2007 10:17:06 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: knarf
( the cost of drilling, equipment, etc. is not in this equation now)

That is a mistake. Oil fields are not magic holes that flow forever. An oil company that wants to maintain their level of production must keep drilling. And rates for rigs, equipment and material are skyrocketing.

That is part of what got us in trouble in the first place. Exploration and Production was scaled way back from the late 90's when oil prices dropped so low. Very little was done to provide the oil we need today. The surplus production capacity fell very low and made the market more susceptible to upsets and speculation.

For the last few years, oil companies have been doing major exploration and expansions of facilities. But it takes a while to catch up, especially with a continued growing demand.

25 posted on 11/22/2007 10:19:39 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Travis McGee
Beware the ''one-way'' market thinking. C$ has moved from 92 cents to 57 cents to $1.10 in 30-odd years. Sterling has moved from $2.40 to $1.01 to $2.10 in 45 years. In just 8 years, Euro has moved from $1.17 to 82 cents to $1.47.

Currencies, all throughout history, have run in cycles. This will repeat itself yet once more in the next decade or so. Also note that USD tends strongly to firm up under a 'Rat administration and to soften up when a Pubbie is in office.

The subprime ''crisis'' will be done with by this time next year, if not sooner. Banks **always** shoot themselves in the foot, about once a decade. Sovereign loans in the 1970s, S&L fiasco-cum-fraud in the 1980s, hugely overcapitalising the 'Asian Tigers' in the 1990s, the list goes on.

26 posted on 11/22/2007 10:21:52 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Travis McGee

no oil will not be traded in euros soon. simple because the EU has no interesst in a financial doomed USA.


27 posted on 11/22/2007 10:38:39 AM PST by austrian
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To: PRePublic

This is probably way off but by crashing the US dollar’s value won’t that help to garner broader support to develop a North American Union with one currency. A Larger picture Ploy?


28 posted on 11/22/2007 10:41:59 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Travis McGee
Ain’t gonna happen.

Correct. Too damned bad...

29 posted on 11/22/2007 10:47:04 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: austrian
no oil will not be traded in euros soon.

Some already has.

Iran acts on non-dollar oil transactions
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=31812&sectionid=351020102

On the macroeconomic level, close to all of our oil transactions are being conducted in non-dollar currencies, the official said, adding, "Less than 20% of the transactions is being done in the Japanese currency, yen, while the payments for the rest are being made in the EU currency, euro."

In further clarification of the subject, Ghanimifard pointed out that currently the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) was receiving more than 80% of the payments for its oil exports in non-dollar currencies.

30 posted on 11/22/2007 10:52:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

And meanwhile, Congress wants to block drilling practically anywhere and everywhere.


31 posted on 11/22/2007 10:54:01 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yep, we don’t have a lack of resources, we have a lack of will to use them.


32 posted on 11/22/2007 10:55:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: austrian

“oil will not be traded in euros soon. simple because the EU has no interesst in a financial doomed USA.”

I would not write the obituary for the U.S. economy just yet. Neither EU, nor any other country, is in any position to get into the driver’s seat.


33 posted on 11/22/2007 11:00:38 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: knarf

Wrong, the price of oil is determined by the futures traders. That started in 1983 and is the bane of the oil industry. OPEC can influence it by adjusting production up or down, depending where they want the price to settle.

There is an estimated $10-15 premium now on pricing as a result of political unrest world wide. So oil would be about $80/barrel if Imanutjob and Chavez weren’t rattling their cages.

The oil companies would like nothing better than a 50-60 dollar stable price range on prices. They could make long range plans and stabilize their operations. Now it is feast or famine as it takes years to gear up once a bust hits and equipment is mothballed and people leave the industry. Hell, the last bust that hit the industry resulted in a lot of drilling equipment being sold for scrap. Chopped up and probably sent to China to be recycled.


34 posted on 11/22/2007 11:10:57 AM PST by biff
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To: RightWhale
What species of currency they use at any time is immaterial.

It will not be immaterial when China, India, Japan, EU and US dump dollars to buy Euros.

Your dollar will look like the peso.

35 posted on 11/22/2007 11:16:53 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

if ANWR were to come on line next week, we would still be importing OPEC Oil.


36 posted on 11/22/2007 11:18:37 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: biff
be kind to a simple mind ... how does it work?

OPEC decides to stop drilling or lowers production, futures traders see this, get nervous and ... then what?

37 posted on 11/22/2007 11:21:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Poison Pill

I would not write the obituary for the U.S. economy just yet. Neither EU, nor any other country, is in any position to get into the driver’s seat.


as i said this will not happen. but not because
this could not be possible (theoretically). just imagine the whole world dumping its dollars while buying euros. the dollar would collapse and the euro would rise. this would mean this would soon double or triple your costs to import
your oil while the rest of the world would get it for the usuall price. this would really be a blow to your current life. but most countries are not interessted in such a scenario because it would hurt them too (not that much it would hurt the US ,but why would any one want to lose money or lower his current life standart?) because where do we want to sell our products?


38 posted on 11/22/2007 11:30:04 AM PST by austrian
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To: thackney

Some already has.

Iran acts on non-dollar oil transactions
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=31812&sectionid=351020102

On the macroeconomic level, close to all of our oil transactions are being conducted in non-dollar currencies, the official said, adding, “Less than 20% of the transactions is being done in the Japanese currency, yen, while the payments for the rest are being made in the EU currency, euro.”


but this has no effect for the US. Since america doesn´t import iranian oil. EU is Iran biggest customer so iranian oil traded in euros is good for EU but not real bad for the USA. it only would be bad if all opec states would refuse to take dollars for their oil. this would be a disaster for the dollar and the Usa. But this will not happen because most countries are not interessted in a collapsing dollar.
not because they do love the Usa that much, but because of
simple selfish buisness interessts.


39 posted on 11/22/2007 11:30:09 AM PST by austrian
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To: knarf

Their bidding for the futures contracts goes up.

In the U.S. the futures are traded at the NY Merchantile Exchange. A bunch of guys in the pit trying to bid on what they think the future price of oil will be based on many theories. Of course, almost all of them never take physical possession of the oil they are bidding on. They just sell their contract and whattaya know, they make a profit. It is a scam placed upon the American consumer by the big money houses on Wall Street.

There are two ways oil is placed on the market for sale. The futures traders and the contract buyers. Let’s say you got an oil well out in Texas and you wanna sell your oil. You can either place it on the futures market and take you chances or you can sign a contract with a local “collector”. The contract price generally runs anywhere from 2 to 6 bucks less than the futures price. You might not make as much per barrel but it is guaranteed price and they will take it every day, week, month, etc. The contract methond is what most producers use as it is safer and you don’t have to worry from day to day or month to month how you are going to get rid of your oil.


40 posted on 11/22/2007 11:34:52 AM PST by biff
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