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The name game continues in California (Chris Lahane blames Rudy for electoral ballot intiative)
Los Angeles Times ^ | November 21, 2007 | Don Frederick

Posted on 11/23/2007 1:10:00 AM PST by tlb

Backers of a California initiative that could significantly aid the next Republican presidential nominee said today they're still collecting signatures to qualify it for the state's ballot in June.

To qualify the measure, its supporters must obtain signatures from 434,000 registered California voters. So to ensure they reach the required mark, the initiative supporters aim to amass about 700,000 signatures.

The measure calls for California to change the winner-take-all method for its 55 electoral votes -- more than one-fifth of the total needed to win the White House. Instead, the electoral votes would be apportioned based primarily on the outcome of the presidential race in each congressional district.

Virtually every other state uses the winner-take-all approach.

The measure's main financial angel has been Paul Singer, who also is a major money man for Republican Rudy Giuliani's presidential bid. Other prominent Giuliani supporters are playing key roles in pushing the initiative, causing its opponents to file complaints with federal officials charging the Giuliani campaign with masterminding the measure.

That would be a violation of federal election law, and the Giuliani campaign has strongly and consistently denied the allegation.

With odds increasing that the initiative will qualify for the ballot, Chris Lehane, a San Francisco-based Democratic activist leading the campaign to derail it, issued the following statement today:

"The power-grabbers are pursuing a lose-lose-lose strategy: It will lose at the ballot box, where it is polling below 30%; it will be a loser for the Republican Party, as it will brand the GOP as the party of presidential hijackers; and it will be a loser for Rudy Giuliani, whose close connections to the initiative will only further define him as someone who puts the raw, crass pursuit of power before the best interests of the country."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calinitiatives; electoralcollege; giuliani; hiltachk
Chris thinks Rudy is trying to steal California for republicans. Since it's Rudy, I wonder how many here will say "Go Chris! Don't let him have it".

More seriously, the article admits "Virtually every other state uses the winner-take-all approach." but without wondering why Chris doesn't worry about the states that do apportion the electoral vote. Somebody should ask him about that.

1 posted on 11/23/2007 1:10:01 AM PST by tlb
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To: tlb
If its going to lose, why the panic among the Democrats?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/23/2007 1:13:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tlb

I like the general idea of this iniative, but it does need to be a national change...and more refined. Unfortunately every state is saying ‘you first’. Only two states have signed on to this idea.


3 posted on 11/23/2007 1:20:55 AM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: tlb
"...charging the Giuliani campaign with masterminding the measure. That would be a violation of federal election law..."

How can the federal government possibly restrict who can support a state ballot initiative? Would Duncan Hunter be allowed to back this initiative? And if not, then isn't that a direct violation of Hunter's First Amendment right to petition his state government for the redress of grievances?

For that matter, why assume Giuliani is behind this? It would benefit any Republican—conceivably a more conservative candidate than Giuliani might not snag all 19 of California's (R) districts, but there's at least a dozen districts that are as red as Texas. And of all the candidates, doesn't Hunter stand the most to gain from putting California electors in play?

4 posted on 11/23/2007 1:22:40 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: goldstategop
If its going to lose, why the panic among the Democrats?

Good question.

But remember, it was the scumbag Democrat liberals and their allies in the press who constantly harped that Reagan's missle defense system ("Star Wars") could never work, not in a million years. But they never explained why the Soviet Union feared such a system "that could never work" so much that it eventually collapsed in bankruptcy in its effort to keep up.

Liberals cannot think linearly. They have chemical imbalances in their brains.

5 posted on 11/23/2007 1:27:31 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tlb
"...Virtually every other state uses the winner-take-all approach..."

I've heard of other initiatives, but who are the "other states"?

6 posted on 11/23/2007 1:51:46 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: tlb
With odds increasing that the initiative will qualify for the ballot...

That there is the weenie right there.

7 posted on 11/23/2007 2:35:26 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Does so
but who are the "other states"?

Maine and Nebraska. Unlike California, they're smaller, more politically uniform states, and I don't remember ever hearing about such a split vote in a presidential election.

8 posted on 11/23/2007 2:37:04 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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IIRC, Maine had 1 vote for GWB in 2000 and 3 for the Goracle...


9 posted on 11/23/2007 4:51:06 AM PST by stefanbatory
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To: tlb
Rudy Giuliani... someone who puts the raw, crass pursuit of power before the best interests of the country.

That about covers it.

10 posted on 11/23/2007 8:56:40 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rogue yam

My understanding from a small blurb in the Fresno Daily Insect is that they ALREADY have 700K+ signatures, which is enough to get it on the ballot. They were blaming Darrell Issa for supporting it financially ( GOOD for him!). Isn’t it interesting how just a month or so ago, they were declaring this thing to be dead dead DEAD, I tell you. Can ya smell the fear from here, like I can?


11 posted on 11/23/2007 9:40:27 AM PST by Mr Inviso
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To: calcowgirl
someone who puts the raw, crass pursuit of power before the best interests of the country

I can't imagine a more accurate description of Clinton, Obama, Edwards, et. al.

12 posted on 11/23/2007 10:50:23 AM PST by reg45
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To: stefanbatory
IIRC, Maine had 1 vote for GWB in 2000 and 3 for the Goracle...

http://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/2000g/gen00p-c.htm

Neither congressional district went to Bush.

13 posted on 11/23/2007 11:50:34 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: Lonely Bull

oops...i guess that I did not RC...


14 posted on 11/23/2007 12:08:17 PM PST by stefanbatory
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To: tlb

Is Chris Lehane the guy who looks like he files his teeth cannibal style?


15 posted on 11/23/2007 12:12:27 PM PST by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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To: goldstategop
If its going to lose, why the panic among the Democrats?

Because they'd still have to spend lots o' money to defeat it.

16 posted on 11/23/2007 12:17:56 PM PST by byteback
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To: byteback
Money they won't have to elect Hillary. I can't see a downside to this initiative.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 11/23/2007 12:18:58 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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