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Butting Heads with the Law
11/23/07
| bear_slayer
Posted on 11/23/2007 2:46:44 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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Have I broken any laws?
What does the constitution say about this?
Can either party in the accident ask for my film?
Can I refuse? Can it be subpoena-ed? Do I care?
To: Bear_Slayer
We’re seeing accounts of this more and more often -
government officials and law enforcement demanding that their actions not be recorded, intimidating and threatening citizens, and hiding their identity (tape over badge numbers).
If they’re doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to “fear” from a citizen’s recording device.
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:49:53 PM PST
by
MrB
(You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
To: Bear_Slayer
If you are on your own property, or you are on public property you may take any pictures you want.
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:50:49 PM PST
by
Chief Engineer
(Foo Fighter, 1506 Nix Nix)
To: Chief Engineer
It was public property. On the sidewalk.
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:52:05 PM PST
by
Bear_Slayer
(When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
To: MrB
Would you have turned it off if the lady you were filming had asked you to? Why did you have the need to film a perfect stranger who had just suffered an injury?
Just asking......
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:52:29 PM PST
by
basil
(Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
To: Bear_Slayer
Can I refuse? Can it be subpoena-ed? Do I care?
Red state or blue state?
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:52:53 PM PST
by
gitmo
(From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
To: gitmo
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:54:01 PM PST
by
Bear_Slayer
(When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
To: basil
I might have. She never did ask and she seemed glad that I was filming her.
The officer, OTOH, demanded that I turn it off and claimed some vague legal issue.
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:55:22 PM PST
by
Bear_Slayer
(When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
To: Bear_Slayer
It was public property. On the sidewalk.Then you are cool. As long as you are on public property, you can shoot away.
http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:56:49 PM PST
by
Brian Mosely
(A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
To: Brian Mosely
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posted on
11/23/2007 2:57:50 PM PST
by
Bear_Slayer
(When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
To: Bear_Slayer
If the woman being filmed had no objections, then it seems to me that the police officer was trying to bully you. I'm glad you didn't give in to him.
PS---I don't like to be photographed by anyone, and someone taking a "movie" of me would drive me to distraction. Please don't come to my neck of the woods should I ever be in an accident--LOL!
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:03:17 PM PST
by
basil
(Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
To: Brian Mosely
I’m going to print that out, laminate it, and keep in in my camera case.
Thanx!
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:03:22 PM PST
by
rockrr
(Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
To: rockrr
Likewise as well and I’m going to forward a copy to the legal dept of the local MHP office.
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:05:11 PM PST
by
Bear_Slayer
(When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
To: Bear_Slayer
I have a Blog and have to occasionally deal with this kind of thing.
I don’t think there’s any law against filming this sort of thing so long as you were on either your own or public property.
That being said...I’d be real careful about posting any pics of that victim without her permission. THAT sort of thing can get you into trouble.
although you can blur out her face but it isn’t the filming of it all that’s illegal.
I don’t know what’s the deal with that cop saying you can’t film. What’s he think this is...the old Soviet Union?
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:09:07 PM PST
by
Fishtalk
(http://patfish.blogspot.com)
To: Bear_Slayer
Report the incident, providing an unedited copy of the tape with the officer on it, to the internal affairs department. Ask for clarification on whether the observed behavior of the officer is official department policy.
Politely, of course.
I'm a big supporter of the police in general, but I also believe that if the wrong things happen, there should be an investigation.
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:10:59 PM PST
by
Brujo
(Quod volunt, credunt.)
To: Brian Mosely
Then you are cool. As long as you are on public property, you can shoot away. But doesn't New York City require a license to photograph in public now, as a revenue-raising measure? Have any other jurisdictions followed suit?
To: rockrr
That “Photographer’s Rights” should do the job in about 99.9% of any future encounters.
There was a Barney Fife in a Chicago Suburb that told two train fans that they could not photograph trains. When they told him that they had a constitutional right to photograph. Barney told them that the Constitution had been superseded by the Patriot Act.
They went on line and the Chicago Tribune printed a story. Barney got his knuckles rapped hard and Metra, the local commuter operation issued a statement about what photographers could and could not do. Bottom line, if you are on public property, take any pictures you want.
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:12:08 PM PST
by
Chief Engineer
(Foo Fighter, 1506 Nix Nix)
To: Bear_Slayer
If the officer refuses to give you his name, get his badge number.
To: Bear_Slayer
Have I broken any laws? no What does the constitution say about this?
it doesn't Can either party in the accident ask for my film?
yes Can I refuse? Can it be subpoena-ed? Do I care?
yes. yes. You should.
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:27:17 PM PST
by
Experiment 6-2-6
(Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
To: Bear_Slayer
Actually I think you did just grand
Thanks from a fellow citizen
W
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posted on
11/23/2007 3:27:23 PM PST
by
WLR
(Defeating Liberalism and The East since 500 BC Iran delinda est.)
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