Posted on 11/24/2007 6:33:37 AM PST by Man50D
Wealth. You?
Wealth, by sucking money from old folks with bad investment schemes...
Note how my statement in post #8 (It will rebate taxes on necessities up to the poverty level") was deliberately omitted to take it completely out of context.Speaking of out of context, you left this from your #8 out of your attempted explanation:
They will not receive a rebate on any other items.
What are the necessary items that are specifically rebated?
Wealth.LOL! Right. Selling the fruits of someone elses efforts isn't creation, it's akin to leaching.
This is your idea of "wealth creation":
" under the income tax, the way you get a tax credit for income you never earned. And if you don't owe and have never paid any tax PRESTO you get a refund anyway.You?
I don't know that I create anything but I do provide a service that can make people money by making someone elses creation a reality...and I often have to spend/put up my own money to do it....You?
BTW, if you're a professional, someday you're going to need a lawyer (guaranteed), be sure and show him/her your tagline.
Guaranteed? Bullshirt, I already have a will.
Well, well. No sooner do you defend the left's favorite behavior modifier, the income tax then you defend the left's favorite lobby - the tort bar. You and the ambulance chasers must have a lot in common. You see money making opportunities in other peoples' misfortune?
Both lawyers and income tax defenders do.
And just how am I doing that genius? I'm not selling income tax books or get-out-of-tax-court kits.
Tell us your looieness? How are you qualified to "guarantee" I'll need a good lawyer? Have you been there and done that?
Go jump in a lake. You are back to your sneaky sniping. What an absolute pest you are. You wouldn’t know wealth if it jumped up and bit your oversized tush.
Yeah, it really ticks me off that my guy is a Fair Taxer. This is an unworkable plan that I don’t support in ANY way. I just have to hope that if he wins Hastert’s seat, he won’t get a chance to do much with this bad plan. I even gave money to Lauzen’s effort, so you can see that I do support him. I just HATE this Fair Tax plan.
The 'fair tax' concept sounds great, but how about the 'enforcement' agency.
Human nature being what it is, I am sure that millions of small businesses will simply ignore the flat tax.
Or can you imaging all the anti-war protester types stomping their feet vowing they will never be used as a tax collection entity for a tyrannical government such as the Bush Admin (or whatever the future holds).
The fair tax sounds great, but it is also frought with potential problems, an underground economy being one of the biggest.
Rebate schme-bate.
Once you start in on defining poverty levels and how it is 'unfair' to tax low earners, then you make a mockery of the entire concept.
Which is the more you consume, the more taxes you pay.
I'm not a big supporter of the Fair Tax. But if you start setting 'rebates' already at this point, you would just open up a pandora's box for EVERYONE thinking they have a valid reason for a rebate.
How bout rebates for all 'envirnomentally friendly' products?
How bout rebates for medicines?
Or on vehicles used in education?
The list would be endless. Such is human nature.
Government is a necessary evil--necessary of course, but also evil. It enforces its power by violence or threat of violence. The bigger the government the greater the evil.
The bigger the government, the greater the attraction to sociopaths and other self-serving undesirables, and the easier it is for them to exploit it to their advantage and to exploit the people (that's YOU and ME!).
The bigger the government, the harder it is for the people to control it and to control the power-hungry sociopaths and other self-serving undesirables who are drawn to big, powerful government like a magnet.
The bigger the government, the more ruthlessly it exerts its power over the people.
Power corrupts, and the degree of corruption is directly proportional to the amount of the power. The bigger and more powerful the government, the more corrupt is the government itself and the more corrupt are the sociopaths and other self-serving undesirables who are drawn to it.
The bigger and more powerful the government, the more brutal is its suppression and exploitation of the people.
The more wealthy and powerful the politicians, the more corrupt, brutal, and power hungry they are.
And furthermore, as I outlined in my previous post (vide supra), the reason politicians like a complicated, incomprehensible tax system is because it enables them to exploit the people--to milk money out of the working man and woman (that's YOU and ME!).
I am all for the Fair Tax and minimal government!
I am all for keeping as much power and money away from government and politicians as possible!
In fact, every penny withheld from government and politicians is a penny spent on liberty and the wellfare of the people.
But I repeat: Getting this Cashcow away from all these self-serving politicians will be harder than pulling the teeth out of their heads.
Politicians LOVE the incomprehensable tax system. It makes them RICH and POWERFUL! It KEEPS them RICH and POWERFUL!
But you are right when you say that a grassroots demand--by their constituents--is the only thing that could succeed in getting this Cashcow away from the politicians and establishing something sane, like the Fair Tax,
But it will be an uphill struggle.
Politicians are experts at propaganda--and especially propaganda that serves their own selfish self-interest,
And the Mainstream Newsmedia and rich Leftists LOVE self-serving politicians and big government, and they will do everything possible to protect the status quo--including big government and self-serving politicians;
And they LOVE taking power from the people and giving it to big government and self-serving politicians.
"Only a strong and growing grass roots effort has and will continue to get more politicians to support the bill."
You're absolutely right about that, Man!
And I for one am all for it!
Your vague statement lacks any credibility without any specifics to back up your claim.I have no need or desire to waste too much of my time arguing HERE against the Fair Tax plan. People like you are not open to the discussion, so I would truly be wasting my time and you aren't worth too much of my valuable time. But one thing I will say.... your silly little tax plan is IMPOSSIBLE unless the Constitution is changed to get rid of an income tax FIRST! The fact that your silly little plan says that the Amendment should be gotten rid of means NOTHING WHATEVER. Your ridiculous little plan can say all the things it wants to say and it won't mean SQUAT to the Constitution. THAT has to be changed by a Constitutional convention and further amendments. NO BILL will change the Constitution.No mere plan CAN change the Constitution. For that reason your bill, you tax plan is MEANINGLESS. Unless the Constitution is changed FIRST, we WILL end up with you silly national sales tax AND we will have an income tax. So, you would be responsible for DOUBLING our taxes!!! Nice going. Are you really a Democrat?
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