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Group Names Naughty, Nice List Of Stores [no 'Christmas']
WXII12 (AP) ^ | November 21, 2007

Posted on 11/24/2007 8:03:10 AM PST by Gondring

Group Names Naughty, Nice List Of Stores

Shoppers Urged To Avoid Stores That Censor Word 'Christmas'

POSTED: 2:26 pm EST November 21, 2007

LYNCHBURG, Va. -- A Christian advocacy group has some advice for Christians as they prepare to do their Christmas shopping: Don't shop at stores that censor the word "Christmas."

As part of its Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign, Liberty Counsel has released its fifth annual "Naughty and Nice" list of stores seeking to attract gift buyers.

The "Naughty List" names stores that make no mention of Christmas in their advertising, vaguely observing the "season" or "holiday" instead. The list includes Gap, Kohl's, Bloomingdale's and Marshalls, to name a few.

The "Nice List" consists of stores that still name the reason for the season. Some stores on that list include Macy's, Wal-Mart, Target and Toys R Us.

Both can be viewed on Liberty Counsel's Web site.

Liberty Counsel's Steve Crampton said stores have the right to advertise any way they want, but Christians have the right to shop at stores that recognize their holiday.

'Naughty or Nice' List


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: merrychristmas
Well, not so sure "Kohl's" should be expected to offer such a greeting. ;-)
1 posted on 11/24/2007 8:03:11 AM PST by Gondring
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To: Gondring

Happy birthday!


2 posted on 11/24/2007 8:04:04 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Gondring

I was just at a Christmas Fair at alma mater, a Catholic high school. One of the ladies selling goods wore a button that said “It’s OK to say Merry Christmas to me.” I like that.


3 posted on 11/24/2007 8:12:22 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

Good one! :-)


4 posted on 11/24/2007 8:15:15 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I went to the stores yesterday. If what I saw is any indication, this is going to be a very lean Christmas for the retailers. No crowds at Walmart, Staples, or Home Depot. Bass Pro Shops had the biggest crowds, but even they were not a whole lot busier than normal.

Even the street traffic seemed light by comparison to prior years.


5 posted on 11/24/2007 8:15:48 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Gondring

That’s right Kohl’s is only providing kosher advertising to our country’s Jews, not the Christians....please people, what are you thinking. They’re PR department is trying to keep all our Muslim, Catholic, Christian, and Atheists away!/s


6 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:25 AM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: Brilliant
I have friends at Amazon.com. They tell me their business is brisk. I think many are shopping online. I do to save on sales tax. Many online retailers offer free shipping so I do not even have to fire up the SUV; let the UPS guy drop it off.

As a side I as a general rule do not even like mingling with the masses at Wal-Mart, Home Depot or Sears - forget it, takes all the fun out of shopping for me.

7 posted on 11/24/2007 8:22:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Gondring

Yeah...Hobby Lobby is on the list!


8 posted on 11/24/2007 8:23:55 AM PST by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: Gondring

>> LYNCHBURG, Va. — A Christian advocacy group has some advice for Christians as they prepare to do their Christmas shopping: Don’t shop at stores that censor the word “Christmas.”


The “Naughty List” names stores that make no mention of Christmas in their advertising, vaguely observing the “season” or “holiday” instead. The list includes Gap, Kohl’s, Bloomingdale’s and Marshalls, to name a few. <<

Hopefully there is more to this. From the story you don’t see any evidence of censorship.


9 posted on 11/24/2007 8:25:26 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Gondring

Best Buy mentions ‘Christmas delivery’ and sells a Christmas gift card.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 8:27:14 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Gondring
Any stores out there honoring Kwanzaa this year?

If they honor that fictitious Commy holiday I don’t want to go near the place.

11 posted on 11/24/2007 8:29:02 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Gondring

But if Kohls doesn’t follow through, get a message to this website!


12 posted on 11/24/2007 8:31:07 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Gondring; Tax-chick

I think that Target should be on the Naughty List because they will NOT allow the Salvation Army Bell Ringers to be at their stores. They won’t see my feet in their store, that’s for sure.


13 posted on 11/24/2007 8:33:49 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"Well, not so sure "Kohl's" should be expected to offer such a greeting. ;-)"

Down in Baton Rouge there "used" to be a store called Goudchaux's, run by a family of devout Jews (the Sternbergs). They had THE BIGGEST Christmas spread of any store in the area. (The "used to be" part happened after they tried to grow outside their expertise, and spread branches in other states).

14 posted on 11/24/2007 8:41:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Gondring

As an aside, Kohl’s is not owned and operated by the Kohl family. I’m pretty sure that they were bought out in the early 70s and transformed from mostly a grocer to a department store chain shortly thereafter. Herb Kohl might have stayed on for a few years but he hasn’t been a part of that company for years.

Merry Christmas!


15 posted on 11/24/2007 8:54:15 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Salvation

“Salvation Army”

Thanks for the reminder. Even though I am a Catholic, I still like the Salvation Army.


16 posted on 11/24/2007 8:54:31 AM PST by dsc
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To: Gondring

CVS actually had real CHRISTMAS carols like”Joy to the World” playing and the roof did NOT cave in!!!!Who knew?


17 posted on 11/24/2007 8:55:41 AM PST by copwife (All God's creatures have a place in the choir!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I agree. Why would I want to go out in the cold, waste money on gas, just to be surrounded by the stressed-out masses in the stores?

ALL my Christmas shopping is done online. Shipping is usually free and I avoid paying MA sales tax. Not to mention I can comparison shop in minutes to find good deals.

Christmas shopping or any other shopping in stores makes no sense to me.


18 posted on 11/24/2007 9:02:09 AM PST by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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To: Bluestateredman

Plus you do not have to get dressed!!!!:-)


19 posted on 11/24/2007 9:12:33 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Pontiac
I have not seen any but. there are ones honoring Festivus!
20 posted on 11/24/2007 9:13:55 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Gondring

I would expect Kohl to be a German name. There used to be a chain of Kohl’s supermarkets in Wisconsin, and I assumed they were of the same origin as the Kohl that subsequently (my impression) got into the department store business, but never heard anyone in Wisconsin mention Kohl as being Jewish.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 9:15:19 AM PST by Elsiejay (,)
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To: Brilliant
What? I have no idea where you live but in NJ, anyway, and from ALL the reports from retailers it was a smashing day and the only caveat from the retailers was they wondered if it would last through Christmas. Of course this is something they say every year and we have to wait to see on that.

The media will try to talk down Christmas sales this year as they did in recent years because the badly want and need a failing economy. This is expected but unless you live 200 miles from a major shopping area I cannot see how your area could be so different then all the others who reported such large crowds, crowds that were spending money and not just looking.

Expect sales to slow after the monster day on Black Friday, as they do every year and then catch fire again the last 4-5 days before Christmas. This years longer shopping season will play well for the retailers. Don’t worry though, they will surely find some bad news to report about the season. If they cannot find any they will simply manufacture it and report it under the guise of an opinion, but of course not in an Op-Ed column but as news.

22 posted on 11/24/2007 9:17:17 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout

I’m in Orlando. Our news reports produced the obligatory “Crowds Throng Malls on Black Friday” articles, but I was there, and they weren’t thronging where I was.

I suspect that articles were written a couple of months ago.

I will be very interested to see if the numbers measure up to the hype. Possibly, the shoppers simply did not feel compelled to shop early this year.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 9:21:33 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Pontiac

Thankfully that scam seems to have died a most-needed death. They are not even pushing at the schools this year here in Oregon.


24 posted on 11/24/2007 9:23:06 AM PST by enraged
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To: Brilliant
I’m in Orlando. Our news reports produced the obligatory “Crowds Throng Malls on Black Friday” articles, but I was there, and they weren’t thronging where I was.

Down here in Boca, we ate at the Cheesecake Factory per "family visit tradition" on their day of departure. The Town Center Mall parking lot was overflowing into the restaurant parking which isn't exactly nearby.

Packed would be an understatement. Did my shopping on-line personally...

25 posted on 11/24/2007 9:34:41 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: jan in Colorado

Hobby Lobby is an openly Christian operation. They are not even open on Sunday’s in order for their employees to spend time with their familes and worship at church.

That is what the signs on the stores state.


26 posted on 11/24/2007 9:52:16 AM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: Gondring
I'm getting tired of Christmas ornaments that say "Happy Holidays". I'm buying it for a Christmas tree, so I'm not Jewish or Muslim.

Likewise, I'm entering Coke Rewards points and I see that they have free Holiday screensavers. One has Santa and a tree and H.H. Another has a December calendar page with holly leaves on Christmas Day, but says H.H.

A generic greeting on a card is one thing, but, HELLO, if you're making something specifically for Christmas, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MENTION IT!!

27 posted on 11/24/2007 9:59:53 AM PST by Tanniker Smith ("What are we doing tomorrow, Brain?" "Same thing we do every night, try to take over the world!")
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To: Brilliant

My wife’s store (Wal-Mart) had a huge day and was up double digits from last year.

Regional differences?


28 posted on 11/24/2007 10:02:51 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator

I was in Wally World this morning and they were playing Christmas carols.


29 posted on 11/24/2007 10:07:19 AM PST by proudofthesouth (IMO homosexuals and transgenders are mentally ill !))
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To: Brilliant
"I’m in Orlando..."

Perhaps that may explain it although I'm not sure why. I shop the Internet only while my wife can't find the button to turn the computer on. She is a huge fan of 4:00 AM shopping on Black Friday and was telling me it was mobbed, really mobbed and the lines were unreal at the check out stations. This is in NJ, the shopping mall capital of the world and the most densely populated State in the nation. As I said, when you couple what my wife experienced and what the liberal news media reported, I have to say your experience was the exception. Perhaps warm weather doesn't translate well into Christmas shopping.

30 posted on 11/24/2007 10:08:48 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: FReepapalooza
That is why I shop there every chance I get! ;o)

Chick Fillet as well.

31 posted on 11/24/2007 10:09:39 AM PST by jan in Colorado (“we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party” -- Duncan Hunter June 5,2007)
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To: Gondring

Wait, wait, wait. I’m confused. I thought we didn’t like the commercial aspect of Christmas, and I often hear complaints that it is “too commercialized.” So why do we care if retailers don’t link shopping, shopping, shopping with Christmas? Just cook up a batch of fruit cakes to send to friends and family. ;)


32 posted on 11/24/2007 10:15:05 AM PST by FixedandDilated
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To: Salvation

I was told last night that they are selling music CDs in the store and $2 of the prices goes to the Salvation Army.

I can’t confirm this since like you I will not go in there


33 posted on 11/24/2007 10:54:15 AM PST by Starwolf
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To: Gondring

Are we sure about Macy’s? They light something they call the ‘Great Tree’ every year around this time. It looks just like a Christmas tree to me.


34 posted on 11/24/2007 11:36:59 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: Brilliant
If what I saw is any indication, this is going to be a very lean Christmas for the retailers.

That's because our Christmas money is going into our gas tanks and furnaces.
35 posted on 11/24/2007 11:39:20 AM PST by mysterio
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To: copwife; jan in Colorado
CVS actually had real CHRISTMAS carols like”Joy to the World” playing and the roof did NOT cave in!!!!Who knew?

This brings up a question...Do they count if played before Halloween? ;-)

36 posted on 11/24/2007 12:08:33 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

As much as I personally dislike Wal-mart, and how they treat their employees, I have noticed that they now say “Merry Christmas”. I commented on this, and was told the store relaxed their rules, and allow this. Perhaps it’s just the one, but as Wal-mart acts a lot like the Borg, I think the corporate policy changed this year.


37 posted on 11/24/2007 12:21:33 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Always carry a spare mag...)
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To: FixedandDilated; jan in Colorado
Wait, wait, wait. I’m confused. I thought we didn’t like the commercial aspect of Christmas, and I often hear complaints that it is “too commercialized.” So why do we care if retailers don’t link shopping, shopping, shopping with Christmas? Just cook up a batch of fruit cakes to send to friends and family. ;)

You had me 'til that last line, pardner! ;-)

Although there should be nothing wrong with advertising Christmas, neither should "Happy Holidays" be condemned, IMHO. I still say "Merry Christmas," and I do see the point about it bringing cultural unity, but if I have to see the communist festival of a violent terrorist, Kwanzaa, mentioned too, then skip the greeting specifics!

"We Jews believe it was Santa Claus that killed Jesus Christ." -- Richard "Kinky" Friedman

38 posted on 11/24/2007 12:45:53 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: aroundabout

I hope you’re right. I’m just concerned that it may be less than stellar.


39 posted on 11/24/2007 1:02:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Gondring

Huh. Wonder where Victoria’s Secret resides on the naughty-nice continuum...


40 posted on 11/24/2007 1:09:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Huh. Wonder where Victoria’s Secret resides on the naughty-nice continuum...

Naughty and Nice, of course, but in seriousness, they aren't listed. Their sister store, "Bath and Body Works," gets a "Nice" rating on this list (although they misspelled the name).

41 posted on 11/24/2007 1:19:53 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Sears is showing up on this site’s “Naughty” list. I was just at Sears. All the entrances have big “Merry Christmas” signs by the door.

It looks to me like Sears IS openly celebrating Christmas.


42 posted on 11/24/2007 1:29:02 PM PST by jeannineinsd
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To: Gondring

It’s silly time again.


43 posted on 11/24/2007 1:32:36 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Gondring
Good to see two of my favorite places - Cabela's and Harry and David - are on the 'nice' list. They always make Viking happy. :-)


44 posted on 11/24/2007 1:41:50 PM PST by Viking2002 (Waterboarding the Left every chance I get.)
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To: FixedandDilated
So why do we care if retailers don’t link shopping, shopping, shopping with Christmas? Just cook up a batch of fruit cakes to send to friends and family. ;)

I (for one) don't. The only thing I want to hear out of the retailer's mouth is, "Can I help you find something?"

The mass commercialization of religious holidays is something that Christians will someday really come to regret someday, IMO. Our family has cut back drastically on the "stuff & shopping" aspect, and frankly I think we are a lot better off. I don't need Wal*Mart to wish me a "Merry Christmas", as it has no meaning.

The Good News is not that there is sale on wide-screen TVs.

45 posted on 11/24/2007 2:00:39 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: mountainbunny

The “War on Christmas” folks are just ITCHING to find something or someone to offend them.


46 posted on 11/24/2007 2:10:31 PM PST by Michael A. Velli (Mitt in '08)
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To: Starwolf

I guess one of us could call! LOL!


47 posted on 11/24/2007 2:18:37 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Michael A. Velli

Agreed. Notice how they now sell buttons and merchandise so that they can make money from all the fuss?
More than a little self-aggrandizement being done in the name of the Lord.


48 posted on 11/24/2007 2:28:13 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Gondring

bump


49 posted on 11/24/2007 2:38:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: Gondring

Bump. I notice that Macys is on the good list, but out here in WA, they don’t say anything. Just have stars etc, like their big fat commie red star. It is the least Christmas store of them all to me, sick of shopping there. The employees also are on strike I think, and after talking to an employee there, sounded like they have the worst morale in the mall.


50 posted on 11/26/2007 10:15:12 PM PST by Professional
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