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OUR OPINION: Nation's children being harmed by unmarried adults
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11/25/07 | Jim Wooten

Posted on 11/25/2007 7:45:05 AM PST by madprof98

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To: BohDaThone
You can look at a data series going back to 1790 (admittedly the early stats are debatable), and real per capita income growth over 20 years (1 generation) runs around 40-50%, for the whole period, with the lowest in the very early years of the republic. In 40 years it runs a bit over 100% on average.

Did you read the article? That's not true for the last 30 years.

This is also the first time a smaller generation has followed a larger one. It is also the first time in America's history that a smaller generation had to fund the previous larger generations retirement, and healthcare....

41 posted on 11/25/2007 8:03:43 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (Peace Through Light)
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To: keats5

No arguments with you there. But these are two different things: prosperity and the proper acculturation / civilization of our children and youth.

The human animal needs years (almost two decades!) of serious time, love, and effort in order to become a mature, decent, civilized young adult. The younger years really do require the actual parent’s presence for most of the day’s 24 hours.

But your tips are marvelous for insuring that a person will remain financially stable.


42 posted on 11/25/2007 9:26:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: FreedomPoster

Wooten is the only thing good about the AJC, not counting the sports columnists.


43 posted on 11/26/2007 4:05:35 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Cogadh na Sith
The article, like many such, is full of holes. First and foremost, it counts "families" and families have become smaller over time. If the same money supports 4 people in 1950 and 3 people in 2000, the per capita income has gone up.

Second, it is based on a survey group, not total national data, so it is subject to a lot more manipulation. Third, we have shifted production from in home to out of home, on average, and men do more of the in-home now, so it's not astonishing that measured women's income has gained relative to men. But it doesn't mean that the total income isn't real.

Yes, there is no doubt that SOME people or categories are worse off, but that has always been true. All that I asserted was that, ON AVERAGE, people as a whole are better off, and always have been, over, say, a 20-year period. And the per capita GDP is indeed up more than 40% from 1986 to 2006.

One final point -- the last stat is really remarkable, in one sense, as we have gotten more and more of families that you would expect to be dysfunctional and low-income. Broken homes, illegitimate children, single mom "families"; drug-using workers and parents, etc. If you just compare married-couple, or married-couple with children, families to their predecessors, the gains would be even more siginificant.

44 posted on 11/26/2007 5:37:32 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Gondring

I don’t care 1 way or the other, frankly. I’m all for somehow pointing out that the parents SHOULD be EMBARRASSED.

But I do agree that in the PAST (maybe not now), “bastard” was often connoted as a bad thing on the OFFSPRING, not the parents so much. As if there was something wrong with the child (maybe by being illegitimate in bad situation, but not inherently). I think that’s where the sensitivity comes in.

This is why I thought maybe we can just attach the word to the parents instead of the child - BASTARD FATHER, etc. Also known to me as “sires”.


45 posted on 11/26/2007 7:02:10 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: cubreporter
Don’t care what William was called...it’s still a terrible label to hang on a child.

Stop insulting William. The term is perfectly good, it's nothing negative about him, and I don't like the way you're implying it's an insult or he should be thought less of for it!

46 posted on 11/26/2007 5:41:27 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I’m not implying anything about William. I am not talking about William. I am talking about the terrible label they put on children.


47 posted on 11/27/2007 12:41:31 AM PST by cubreporter ( Rush has done more for this country than any other politician ever! He's the man!!!!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

I make good money, but I am part of the first generation, Gen X, that will have a lower standard of living than the previous generation.


I am curious, how do you come to that conclusion?


48 posted on 11/27/2007 1:04:24 AM PST by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: cubreporter

What label is “terrible”?

Oh, wait...you’re trying to make “bastard” imply something negative about a child, huh?


49 posted on 11/27/2007 6:30:26 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BamaGirl
The article:

"Between 1974 and 2004, white and black men in their 30s experienced a decline in income, with the largest decline among black men," Issacs writes. Families beat their parents largely because more households had two breadwinners and because of gains in women's incomes.

My wife doesn't work so it's harder for me to support my family on one income than it was for my dad or the baby boomers.

The real wage has been stagnant or fallen for the past 30 years for men in their 30s. That will continue as the boomers hold onto the high paying jobs into their 70s.

50 posted on 11/28/2007 7:25:01 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (Peace Through Light)
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To: BenLurkin

If you can hire a staff of black people and/or women, pay them less, AND GET THE SAME LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE -

where are the companies that have all black women employees that are kicking the asses of all competitors because of the advantage of lower costs of employment?


51 posted on 11/28/2007 7:36:30 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cubreporter

maybe that’s why we’re seeing more of them - no shame factor on the parents.

Leftists refuse to admit that removing negative incentives for behaviors increases the occurrence of those behaviors.


52 posted on 11/28/2007 7:38:02 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: keats5

I’ve seen a similar list.

Spend less than you earn.
Avoid debt.
Build in some liquidity for emergencies.
Have long term goals.
Remember it all comes from God anyway.


53 posted on 11/28/2007 7:40:46 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: madprof98

These are not fathers, they are merely sperm donors.


54 posted on 11/28/2007 7:44:19 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MrB
What about the living arrangements. Don’t you think it has an effect on a child to see the unmarried mother or father sleeping and living with the girlfriend/boyfriend. Especially girls seeing their mother shacking up. It’s disgusting. If I was left single with my girls I would not have a man sleeping over with them in the house.
55 posted on 11/28/2007 7:47:10 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

living arrangements - again, the removal of the consequence called “shame” for choosing to live with or have extended sleepovers with someone you’re not married to

has increased the occurrence of this behavior, to the detriment of society.

When you look at the “why” of any issue or agenda that leftists/liberals/secular socialists push, start from the question “what will destroy traditional society?” and you can pretty easily see how they’ll side on any issue.


56 posted on 11/28/2007 7:51:52 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Tax-chick
As framed by The Associated Press ...

This seems to be a popular word among liberals. It seems to mean the same thing as "spin".

57 posted on 11/28/2007 8:00:30 AM PST by murdoog
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To: cubreporter

Just wondering. What is so terrible about being called a child born out of wedlock? Is there some historical significance to the label? Is there some common consequence regarding being raised by an unmarried adult or by more than one unmarried adult? Has society used the label to predict future behavior as a result of being fatherless?

I cringe when children bear the burden of their parents’ behavior, too. Labels are often very inaccurate and offensive. (makes me think of racial slurs) But you’ve sent my brain off on a tangent now . . . :)


58 posted on 11/28/2007 8:07:36 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Cogadh na Sith
The real wage has been stagnant or fallen for the past 30 years for men in their 30s. That will continue as the boomers hold onto the high paying jobs into their 70s.
Are you saying that the boomers are hogging all the high paying jobs to themselves?
59 posted on 11/28/2007 7:32:10 PM PST by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: BamaGirl
Are you saying that the boomers are hogging all the high paying jobs to themselves?

I don't know if they are 'hogging' them--They are a much larger generation than gen-x. They are in their peak earning years and will hang on for a very long time, so yeah, right now they have all the top jobs.

Hey, I'm the junior guy in my defense contractor company. I'm 40.

60 posted on 11/28/2007 8:16:24 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (Peace Through Light)
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