Posted on 11/25/2007 10:26:20 AM PST by pissant
So what? It's ability to survive outside the mother's body is not the determining factor in whether or not the fetus is a human, nor whether or not it is alive.
It's alive because it's growing, it's human because it's the product of conception of a human egg and human sperm cell.
Simply because the baby can't survive outside the mother's body is not justification for killing it. That opens a whole can of worms. What other justifications can we then use then, for killing people? Like the ones for euthanasia and infanticide; the slippery slope we're now sliding down?
If we refuse to defend the most defenseless among us, we will lose that which sets us apart from the animal world as civilized human beings.
A while back, I tried to figure out a position that had a chance of being accepted. It seemed to me that just about all Americans ought to be able to agree that if the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the mother (around 20 weeks, right now), then it ought to be protected by law.
I still believe that position could be taken by most Americans, although it is to the right of current law and politics.
I no longer believe it could be adopted. This thread has convinced me that many on the pro-life side would rather see abortions continue forever than see us take a step towards banning them. As long as the offer is a slice short of a full loaf, many pro-choice voters will refuse it.
Fred Thompson doesn’t stand a chance. Instead, we’ll end up with some nominee who promises to support the HRA...knowing full well that he will NEVER have to lift a finger to make it happen.
Talk about stupid! Hope you like having smoke blown up your butt, because you’re doing your best to make it happen!
Yuck, yuck!
You're full of crap because your post #195 willfully or ignorantly ignored the fact that the Human Life Bill and the Human Life Amendment are two seperate and distinct things both supported by Ronald Reagan.
Like I said, you argue like a lefty, ignoring facts when it suits you and making them up as you go.
Like this for instance:
You don't understand that a Human Life Amendment is much more difficult to pass than a Human Life Bill which is currently being sponsored by Duncan Hunter.
Now back to the constitution. Where in the constitution are "persons" defined?
Since they aren't defined per se, which branch of government has the power to define that term?
And finally, Congress has already passed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, a tacit acknowledgement that unborn babies are indeed persons. Couple that with the fact that every state who has passed a similar law has been challenged in court by the pro aborts. The pro aborts lost each and every time.
Think about it.
Then you're as thick as a brick. Ask any of "the many" if they would sign legislation right now limiting abortions to 20 weeks plus.
Go ahead, do it.
You can start with me, my answer is of course.
Now ask if I think that has a rational basis.
My answer is of course not. But it would be a giant step in the right direction.
You’re just angry because you can’t get your way.
You figure if you repeat a lie long enough, people will start believing you.
That is a liberal tactic.
You’re FOS!
LOL, you lose.
The arguments against Roe are legion but the best and surest way to kill Roe v Wade, Doe v Bolton and Casey is to include the unborn as persons. We are already moving down that road as more and more states and the feds have passed laws protecting unborn victims of violence. The logical end to those laws should be obvious to everyone, that it isn't continues to amaze me. Even those who are our allies can't seem to reconcile these facts. Weird.
You’re absolutely right.
Your appeal to polls is immaterial regarding the quest for truth - many people once thought the sun orbited the earth because that's what they could see.
I humbly suggest your position is rooted in emotion rather than fact.
Your distinction between a "full" human being and a "functional" human being is sophistry belied by your own existence. An adult and a zygote are both full human beings, biologically and ontologically. You are no more human now than when you first began to exist. When you were an embryo you were functioning exactly as human beings of that age function. Capabilities are limited to the kind of thing to which they belong. It is impossible that something non-human could ever have the potential to perform uniquely human functions. Any such capability, whether at this moment, or years in the future, demands a human subject as its possessor. If you, the offspring of human parentage, at any time, even in the zygote-stage, possessed the potentiality to act as a human being then you were already a human being because nothing else could ever possess that capability.
Cordially,
Thank you so very much for all your encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!
Once a woman realizes there is another human growing inside of her - whether it is just a few cells or a recognizable baby - a decision to abort that life is self-serving, usually rooted in pride or vanity but always willful. Each is a spiritual toxin to the mother.
Moreover, killing is final; it cannot be undone, balanced out, made right or justified. And a Christian woman who willfully does something she knows is wrong is in deep spiritual darkness.
Of course, many women are neither spiritual nor forward looking and don't experience guilt until perhaps many years later when a glance at another brings to mind her own child who would have been about that same age.
The saddest situation is the forward looking, spiritual young girl who was the victim of rape or incest and finds herself pregnant. She may see the only choice is take her own life along with the child's.
There is a nother tchoice. I'm 62. My blessed Mother is 92. I was conceived by force ... my Mother was raped. Thanks be to God, there is another choice besides death to the innocent for the act of a criminal.
Sadly some young girls believe they cannot live with the constant reminder of the violence done to them, i.e. the pregnancy - and would choose death over abortion.
Cordially,
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