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Huckabee on Abortion: Shares Fred Thompson's Views
Christian newswire ^ | 11/25/07 | Karen Hanretty

Posted on 11/25/2007 10:26:20 AM PST by pissant

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To: Mr Rogers; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN
It also recognizes that for the first 4 1/2 months, ‘it’ cannot exist without the mother and cannot be continued without the mother’s body.

So what? It's ability to survive outside the mother's body is not the determining factor in whether or not the fetus is a human, nor whether or not it is alive.

It's alive because it's growing, it's human because it's the product of conception of a human egg and human sperm cell.

Simply because the baby can't survive outside the mother's body is not justification for killing it. That opens a whole can of worms. What other justifications can we then use then, for killing people? Like the ones for euthanasia and infanticide; the slippery slope we're now sliding down?

If we refuse to defend the most defenseless among us, we will lose that which sets us apart from the animal world as civilized human beings.

221 posted on 11/27/2007 3:55:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

A while back, I tried to figure out a position that had a chance of being accepted. It seemed to me that just about all Americans ought to be able to agree that if the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the mother (around 20 weeks, right now), then it ought to be protected by law.

I still believe that position could be taken by most Americans, although it is to the right of current law and politics.

I no longer believe it could be adopted. This thread has convinced me that many on the pro-life side would rather see abortions continue forever than see us take a step towards banning them. As long as the offer is a slice short of a full loaf, many pro-choice voters will refuse it.

Fred Thompson doesn’t stand a chance. Instead, we’ll end up with some nominee who promises to support the HRA...knowing full well that he will NEVER have to lift a finger to make it happen.

Talk about stupid! Hope you like having smoke blown up your butt, because you’re doing your best to make it happen!


222 posted on 11/27/2007 4:11:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Mitt is the Kama Sutra of Republican politics. Huckabee is Sandra Day O'Connor.)
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To: Reagan Man
You're the one whose fulla bull.

Yuck, yuck!

You're full of crap because your post #195 willfully or ignorantly ignored the fact that the Human Life Bill and the Human Life Amendment are two seperate and distinct things both supported by Ronald Reagan.

Like I said, you argue like a lefty, ignoring facts when it suits you and making them up as you go.

Like this for instance:

You don't understand that a Human Life Amendment is much more difficult to pass than a Human Life Bill which is currently being sponsored by Duncan Hunter.

Now back to the constitution. Where in the constitution are "persons" defined?

Since they aren't defined per se, which branch of government has the power to define that term?

And finally, Congress has already passed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, a tacit acknowledgement that unborn babies are indeed persons. Couple that with the fact that every state who has passed a similar law has been challenged in court by the pro aborts. The pro aborts lost each and every time.

Think about it.

223 posted on 11/27/2007 4:24:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mr Rogers
This thread has convinced me that many on the pro-life side would rather see abortions continue forever than see us take a step towards banning them.

Then you're as thick as a brick. Ask any of "the many" if they would sign legislation right now limiting abortions to 20 weeks plus.

Go ahead, do it.

You can start with me, my answer is of course.

Now ask if I think that has a rational basis.

My answer is of course not. But it would be a giant step in the right direction.

224 posted on 11/27/2007 4:28:53 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

You’re just angry because you can’t get your way.

You figure if you repeat a lie long enough, people will start believing you.

That is a liberal tactic.

You’re FOS!


225 posted on 11/27/2007 4:34:47 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
FOS! Yo?

LOL, you lose.

226 posted on 11/27/2007 4:44:34 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: EternalVigilance
Okay. You have to stand in front of the Supreme Court tomorrow. Let's hear the basis for your arguments against Roe.

The arguments against Roe are legion but the best and surest way to kill Roe v Wade, Doe v Bolton and Casey is to include the unborn as persons. We are already moving down that road as more and more states and the feds have passed laws protecting unborn victims of violence. The logical end to those laws should be obvious to everyone, that it isn't continues to amaze me. Even those who are our allies can't seem to reconcile these facts. Weird.

227 posted on 11/27/2007 5:07:43 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

You’re absolutely right.


228 posted on 11/27/2007 5:08:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With "conservatives" like these, who needs liberals??)
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To: Mr Rogers; betty boop; metmom
The main problem in your argument is your inability to distinguish when 'it' is a non-person from when 'it' is a person, given the dynamic continuum that characterizes life. - a continuum with a definite beginning. Your use of the term 'it' attempts to mask this by pushing forth the notion of the nonhumanity of the child, though you have not yet through your arguments to this point earned the right to do so.

Your appeal to polls is immaterial regarding the quest for truth - many people once thought the sun orbited the earth because that's what they could see.

I humbly suggest your position is rooted in emotion rather than fact.

229 posted on 11/27/2007 6:42:40 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Mr Rogers
I said silly, because one is a full human being, the other a few cells with potential to become a functional human being.

Your distinction between a "full" human being and a "functional" human being is sophistry belied by your own existence. An adult and a zygote are both full human beings, biologically and ontologically. You are no more human now than when you first began to exist. When you were an embryo you were functioning exactly as human beings of that age function. Capabilities are limited to the kind of thing to which they belong. It is impossible that something non-human could ever have the potential to perform uniquely human functions. Any such capability, whether at this moment, or years in the future, demands a human subject as its possessor. If you, the offspring of human parentage, at any time, even in the zygote-stage, possessed the potentiality to act as a human being then you were already a human being because nothing else could ever possess that capability.

Cordially,

230 posted on 11/27/2007 7:23:18 PM PST by Diamond
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To: betty boop

Thank you so very much for all your encouragements, dearest sister in Christ!


231 posted on 11/27/2007 9:44:35 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; Mr Rogers; betty boop; MHGinTN
Seems to me it is a matter of conscience.

Once a woman realizes there is another human growing inside of her - whether it is just a few cells or a recognizable baby - a decision to abort that life is self-serving, usually rooted in pride or vanity but always willful. Each is a spiritual toxin to the mother.

Moreover, killing is final; it cannot be undone, balanced out, made right or justified. And a Christian woman who willfully does something she knows is wrong is in deep spiritual darkness.

Of course, many women are neither spiritual nor forward looking and don't experience guilt until perhaps many years later when a glance at another brings to mind her own child who would have been about that same age.

The saddest situation is the forward looking, spiritual young girl who was the victim of rape or incest and finds herself pregnant. She may see the only choice is take her own life along with the child's.

232 posted on 11/27/2007 10:16:59 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
"She (a young woman who was raped) may see the only choice is take her own life along with the child's."

There is a nother tchoice. I'm 62. My blessed Mother is 92. I was conceived by force ... my Mother was raped. Thanks be to God, there is another choice besides death to the innocent for the act of a criminal.

233 posted on 11/27/2007 10:30:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Thank God!!!

Sadly some young girls believe they cannot live with the constant reminder of the violence done to them, i.e. the pregnancy - and would choose death over abortion.

234 posted on 11/27/2007 10:38:43 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN
Well bless your dear mother's courageous and good heart, MHG. I'm glad you were born, bro. Where are the interlocutors now who say it's acceptable to commit another act of unspeakable violence against an innocent third party, a child, for the crime of his father? Do they tell you to your face it would have been ok to kill you? They are silent in the blazing light of your testimony. Let them retreat into their darkness. You are living vindication of the truth of the matter.

Cordially,

235 posted on 11/28/2007 10:09:03 AM PST by Diamond
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