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Iraqis may offer US deal to stay longer
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Posted on 11/26/2007 6:52:14 AM PST by SoldierMedic

BAGHDAD -- Iraq's government is prepared to offer the U.S. a long-term troop presence in Iraq and preferential treatment for American investments in return for an American guarantee of long-term security including defense against internal coups, The Associated Press learned Monday.

The proposal, described to the AP by two senior officials familiar with the issue, is one of the first indications that the United States and Iraq are beginning to explore what their relationship might look like, once the U.S. significantly draws down its troop presence.

The Iraqi officials said that under the proposed formula, Iraq would get full responsibility for internal security and American troops would relocate to bases outside the cities. Iraqi officials foresee a long-term presence of about 50,000 U.S. troops, down from the current figure of over 160,000.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq

1 posted on 11/26/2007 6:52:16 AM PST by SoldierMedic
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To: SoldierMedic
I like it. We're still in Germany, Japan and South Korea. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. If a Democrat gets elected President, there will be a drawdown of troops but we will still keep a substantial force in Iraq in defined locations. That is a fact.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/26/2007 6:54:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I like how the Iraqis are going to ask us to stay.

Really deals a serious blow to the claim that the Iraqis all want us to leave.
3 posted on 11/26/2007 6:56:39 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: goldstategop

I like it. We’re still in Germany, Japan and South Korea. We will be in Iraq for a very long time. If a Democrat gets elected President, there will be a drawdown of troops but we will still keep a substantial force in Iraq in defined locations. That is a fact.

I like it too. Maybe now the big mouth liberals will shut up. Nothing like money to keep libs happy.


4 posted on 11/26/2007 6:59:30 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: SoldierMedic
The AP is now raising this issue to stir the pot for the Dems. The war is going well, so the MSM has to divert attention from success and focus on this issue, knowing full well that the public would like to see us out of Iraq even those who want victory and the mission accomplished.

I agree that our long term presence is both desired and necessary given the strategic importance of the region and Iran's desire to acquire nuclear weapons. I am sure the Saudis and others in the Gulf would like us to stay as well.

5 posted on 11/26/2007 7:00:45 AM PST by kabar
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To: goldstategop
We're still in Germany, Japan and South Korea.

Last time I checked the governments in Germany, Japan, and Korea weren't depending on us protecting them from their local populace. It is a sad fact that all that we have accomplished on the battlefield and all the good will we've built up with the Iraqi people can all be pissed away in an instant by that miserable mess of an Iraqi government. And if we agree to prop it up then there's no reason for them to change. We've got the insurgents on the run, the Iraqi army is standing up, the people are beginning to see the fruits of all the labor and are cooperating with the U.S. forces like never before, the next thing to be done is a thorough house-cleaning of the al Maliki government. Otherwise all could be for naught.

6 posted on 11/26/2007 7:01:37 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SoldierMedic; Allegra

...internal coups???...Who could they possibly mean? >8o)


7 posted on 11/26/2007 7:01:58 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: SoldierMedic

I hope they give us cheap oil.


8 posted on 11/26/2007 7:02:57 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: goldstategop

And, we’re going to get lots of oil at what price?


9 posted on 11/26/2007 7:04:13 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"And if we agree to prop it up then there's no reason for them to change. We've got the insurgents on the run, the Iraqi army is standing up, the people are beginning to see the fruits of all the labor and are cooperating with the U.S. forces like never before, the next thing to be done is a thorough house-cleaning of the al Maliki government."

Isn't that up to the Iraqi people, when they vote?
10 posted on 11/26/2007 7:04:47 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Non-Sequitur

It’s not the general populace they are worried about. It’s the armed militias..many who have uncomfortably close ties to Irans’ Hardliners.


11 posted on 11/26/2007 7:05:52 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: SoldierMedic

> I like how the Iraqis are going to ask us to stay.

Well, it’s about time they made this quite clear.

I’ve been a bit honked off that the leadership has in the past damaged our efforts by making announcements that we need to leave. It is definitely at the point that if they want our help they need to really step up and say so, as well as start cooperating among themselves to build up their country.

So I am quite glad to see this announcement.


12 posted on 11/26/2007 7:06:53 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Actually its the opposite. The locals decided they want us around to protect them from Al Qaeda and to run interference with their own government. Plus they're beginning to realize keeping Americans around is good for business. After awhile, no one thinks of it as an occupation and no country has ever asked us to leave and we would be gone from Germany, Japan and South Korea if the host governments requested us to go. They haven't.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 11/26/2007 7:07:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I like it if they pay for it. They should be flush with cash and most of their Sadaam debt forgiven. We have not charged them for the cost of the war (not saying we should), but the least they could do is pay us for this, and buy a bunch of our weapons for the next 50 years.


14 posted on 11/26/2007 7:07:32 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
There's an obvious reality to this. Then there are the Dems who don't deal with realities.

The Middle East has been a problem since I was a little girl. Problems don't go away by putting your head in the sand.

15 posted on 11/26/2007 7:12:44 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: SoldierMedic
BAGHDAD - Iraq's government, seeking protection against foreign threats and internal coups, will offer the U.S. a long-term troop presence in Iraq in return for U.S. security guarantees as part of a strategic partnership, two Iraqi officials said Monday.

Interesting. Iraq, the West Germany of the Middle East.

16 posted on 11/26/2007 7:14:13 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: goldstategop

I like your point,and think they have much validity. but it’s not accurate in it’s absoluteness. The Phillipenes asked us to leave..We left...Can’t really say they’ve benefited greatly from it. In fact, they seem to be wracked with a great deal *more* internal strife, and a stagnating economy since we’ve pulled out.


17 posted on 11/26/2007 7:15:56 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: goldstategop
and no country has ever asked us to leave

Well, there was the naval base in the Phillipines ... Subic Bay?

18 posted on 11/26/2007 7:15:58 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: goldstategop
After awhile, no one thinks of it as an occupation and no country has ever asked us to leave and we would be gone from Germany, Japan and South Korea if the host governments requested us to go. They haven't.

We were in Germany, Japan, and Korea for 50 years because of the Soviet Union and no other reason. We were not there to protect the local populace from their government. If that is our purpose in remaining in Iraq then sooner or later we're going to be caught between the two.

19 posted on 11/26/2007 7:16:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Sacajaweau
"The Middle East has been a problem since I was a little girl. Problems don't go away by putting your head in the sand."

Yep, the M.E. has been a problem since I was a little kid and I think Bush just may have solved a chunk of it. From a strategic standpoint, being based in Iraq is pure genius. Add to that that we now have an Iraqi government that we are allies with and that is even more genius.

20 posted on 11/26/2007 7:19:02 AM PST by avacado
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To: goldstategop
There have been countries to ask us to leave, and we have left graciously. We left Panama, we left the Philippines, we left France.

We are still in Japan, South Korea, Germany, Italy, and the UK.

Alright, so there is one country that asked us to leave, and we gave a big “NO” to: Cuba.

21 posted on 11/26/2007 7:22:12 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: goldstategop
I like it. We're still in Germany, Japan and South Korea.

True enough but you haven't asked yourself the key question: Will George Soros think it's a good idea. Will Ron Paul? I think they won't and the libs position will simply be that messing around in Iraq was a bad idea and we need to get out 100%.

22 posted on 11/26/2007 7:22:53 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: goldstategop
After awhile, no one thinks of it as an occupation and no country has ever asked us to leave...

Actually the Philippines did and now they are begging for us to come back.

23 posted on 11/26/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: SoldierMedic

Works for me! Works for them.


24 posted on 11/26/2007 7:26:16 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Non-Sequitur

But the hard core reality is, if progress keeps happening from the grass roots up, The present “Iraqi Government” is going to be bypassed and made a laughingstock in even the eyes of their own “tribes”, if they don’t get off their “no” saying butts,and start making things work for the Iraqi people. They will “no do” themselves, right ourt of any power they think they have right now. New elections can send them right back where they came from, in disgrace.


25 posted on 11/26/2007 7:26:47 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: goldstategop

This proposal is interesting. I view it as stability + protecting Iraq from Iran. Locating the US bases outside of the cities would be more to do with a confrontation with Iran than Iraq stabilization. So we’d be a double positive to them for stabilization and protection. As for us leaving well I believe the Phillipines asked us to leave -and we did so it’s not without precedent.


26 posted on 11/26/2007 7:36:42 AM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: SoldierMedic
The Iraqi officials said that under the proposed formula, Iraq would get full responsibility for internal security and American troops would relocate to bases outside the cities.

That sounds like a good deal and one that all parties will probably agree to.
27 posted on 11/26/2007 7:36:55 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
We were in Germany, Japan, and Korea for 50 years because of the Soviet Union and no other reason. We were not there to protect the local populace from their government. If that is our purpose in remaining in Iraq then sooner or later we're going to be caught between the two.

I don't think that protecting the local populace from their government is why we will stay in Iraq. We'll be in Iraq because Iran is right next door. Iran is the THE PROBLEM in the Middle East and if we want to contain the spread of the "Religion of Peace" with it's death squads of Jihad-warriors then we are going to have to contain Iran. 50,000 troops and air bases in Iraq would be a good start. Pull them out of Europe where they are not needed and send them to Iraq.

28 posted on 11/26/2007 7:36:59 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: SoldierMedic
From Oct. 24th, 2007 posting:
"Most heartening, [Major General Rick] Lynch said, was the checkpoint just across the road and over an irrigation canal. It was run by Shi'ites.

Lynch said the checkpoints on opposite sides of the road highlighted a kind of reconciliation by necessity: not fighting each other but protecting themselves from a common enemy.

"They have to be convinced that we're not leaving. That's the issue. If they were to think we're leaving we'd have also sorts of trouble," Lynch said, clambering over a makeshift earthen bridge across the canal."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1915499/posts

29 posted on 11/26/2007 7:39:53 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: SoldierMedic
In the third paragraph it states that "American troops would relocate to bases outside the cities"

Keep in mind that the Brits have already relocated outside of Basra.

This is not a new plan. Perhaps you have heard the Hillary campaign triangulating on troop levels in Iraq.

30 posted on 11/26/2007 7:42:22 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: P-40

Agreed. It seems like a good compromise, even for American political parties.

We stay in Iraq, but there is also a huge troop drawdown. It doesn’t sound like soldiers will be patrolling streets, but will provide external security for Iraq.


31 posted on 11/26/2007 7:49:40 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic
The Iraqi officials said that under the proposed formula, Iraq would get full responsibility for internal security and U.S. troops would relocate to bases outside the cities. Iraqi officials foresee a long-term presence of about 50,000 U.S. troops, down from the current figure of more than 160,000.

Great idea. And Iraq oil $$$ can pay for it.

32 posted on 11/26/2007 8:03:17 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: SoldierMedic

Great way to bring on the new year. Awesome news..


33 posted on 11/26/2007 8:47:15 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nilhilism)
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To: InterceptPoint
I don't think that protecting the local populace from their government is why we will stay in Iraq.

Judging from the article that seems to be a big part in why they want us to stay.

34 posted on 11/26/2007 9:45:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SoldierMedic

DEAL?


35 posted on 11/26/2007 2:57:07 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: LZ_Bayonet
"They have to be convinced that we're not leaving. That's the issue. If they were to think we're leaving we'd have also sorts of trouble,"[General] Lynch said,
. . . and where would they get the idea that we might leave?

Harry Reid types have claimed that predicting that America would lose in Iraq did not reduce our chances of success there; there is a simple way for them to put their money where their mouth is. Republicans should demand that any Democrat who makes that claim back it up by being willing to announce that the Democrats are going to lose the next election.


36 posted on 11/26/2007 9:12:40 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: JewishRighter; SoldierMedic
Deal ....yes:

U.S. and Iraq to negotiate pact on long-term relations

*************************************EXCERPT***********************

The "Declaration of Principles" signed Monday via video link by President George W. Bush and the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, does not specify the eventual number of American troops nor the length of their deployment.

37 posted on 11/26/2007 11:16:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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