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The void: Imprint of another universe?
New Scientist ^ | 11/24/07 | Marcus Chown

Posted on 11/27/2007 8:06:25 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: doc1019
I have extreme problems dealing with this universe; don’t tell me I may have another one to worry about.

I had a chance to visit a parallel universe once. It was pretty much the same as ours.

61 posted on 11/27/2007 9:48:29 PM PST by mtg
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To: new cruelty

That’s what I believe, too, which makes it all the more awe-some.


62 posted on 11/27/2007 9:48:44 PM PST by Defiant ("Expectorate" has Specter in it.)
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To: Defiant

i wonder who he favors more. me or you.

I’M KIDDING.

i already know the answer.


63 posted on 11/27/2007 9:50:52 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Defiant

they probably have something like AA in the other universe only they probably call it ZZ.

Speaking of z’s... it’s 1:00a.m.!


64 posted on 11/27/2007 9:53:13 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: mtg

Mayhap … we might have met there … mind altering drugs take us places and allow us to meet folks that we don’t recognize in normal life. ;-)


65 posted on 11/27/2007 9:55:47 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: mtg

was gas 3.00 a gallon there, too?


66 posted on 11/27/2007 9:58:26 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The hole first showed up in images of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, the radiation left over from the formation of the universe (what we call the big bang). In images made by WMAP back in 2004, the volume of the hole showed up as being of a colder temperature than surrounding volumes of space because of less energy being ejected from the region.

From a recent article ( http://huterer.physics.lsa.umich.edu/~huterer/PLOTS/CMB_Huterer.pdf ) it would seem that the very, very minor temperature variations in the CMB (which give rise to the void and for that matter everything else on the WMAP) have a good chance (IMHO) to be due to a local or semi-local phenomena rather than imperfections in the afterglow of the big bang.

67 posted on 11/27/2007 10:00:30 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bump to save


68 posted on 11/27/2007 10:24:07 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: timer

hole in the universe ping


69 posted on 11/27/2007 10:31:14 PM PST by anymouse
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To: Defiant

Cf. the first part of Mark Twain’s essay, THE DAMNED HUMAN RACE, entitled, WAS THE WORLD MADE FOR MAN ?

He says to suppose so is like supposing that the purpose of the Eiffel Tower was to support “the skin of paint on the pinnacle knob at its summit.” ... “anybody would perceive that that skin was what the tower was built for. I reckon they would, dunno.”


70 posted on 11/27/2007 10:31:26 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Actually, it doesn’t validate string theory, it validates an offshoot called M (as in membrane) theory...


71 posted on 11/27/2007 10:36:12 PM PST by piytar
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

Sarc, right? Because the “hole” in a torus shaped universe it not observable from within that universe. Think in terms of two dimensional beings residing on the surface of a sphere trying to “see” the hollow inside of that sphere, then up the order of dimensions a couple times...


72 posted on 11/27/2007 10:42:27 PM PST by piytar
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It is just a hole. You have to do better than to assume one cosmological theory is true in order to use a big hole to confirm another theory.
And especially if you have to go all out and talk about other universes??? Just from a big hole??? Is this the 21st century version of the epicycle-just add extra unobservable dimensions and universes and dark energy until everything fits?


73 posted on 11/27/2007 10:48:13 PM PST by ari-freedom (I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
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To: Phsstpok

much simpler explanation. According to the “standard texts” about the big bang that I’ve read (Hawking and Forward, IIRC, as examples) there should have been as much anti-matter as matter created initially. Lot’s of work has gone into explaining why we don’t see evidence of it.

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Wouldn’t antimatter release light just like normal matter does?


74 posted on 11/27/2007 10:49:02 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Defiant

The trouble with this kind of discovery is, it makes the universe so incomprehensible, so large and awe-some, that it makes me wonder how in the hell any creator could possibly care about any insignificant speck in it, such as our earth, much less a meaningless little gnat on that speck, such as me. I hope he has deputies all over the place whose job it is to care.

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Most matter is empty space, matter is probably made up of 0 dimensional particles, no more tangible to God then 1’s or 0’s in a computer. The Matrix has you.


75 posted on 11/27/2007 10:52:51 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Shadowstrike
>>>Didn’t they, pardon the pun, unravel string theory?<<<

Yes, if you consider 11 dimensions "unraveling".

I have a bit of trouble with Einstein's Theory of Relativity....so I have a real problem with 11 dimensions!

76 posted on 11/27/2007 11:03:46 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: All

Lets see, apparently we live in a universe with no visual boundary, it seems to go on forever, and all matter is made up of mostly, if not all, empty space.

There is nothing tangible to matter, and there is no end in sight.

The Universe obviously serves no purpose.

Matthew 13:

Jesus says

The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

The owner’s servants came to him and said, “Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?”

“An enemy did this,” he replied.

The servants asked him, “Do you want us to go and pull them up?”

“No,” he answered, “because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.”


77 posted on 11/27/2007 11:04:11 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Defiant; redpoll

Psalm 8 (New International Version)

A psalm of David.

1 O LORD, our Lord,
how majestic is your name in all the earth!
You have set your glory
above the heavens.
2 From the lips of children and infants
you have ordained praise [b]
because of your enemies,
to silence the foe and the avenger.

3 When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
4 what is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?

5 You made him [man] a little lower than the heavenly beings
and crowned him with glory and honor.
6 You made him ruler over the works of your hands;
you put everything under his feet:
7 all flocks and herds,
and the beasts of the field,
8 the birds of the air,
and the fish of the sea,
all that swim the paths of the seas.

9 O LORD, our Lord,
how majestic is your name in all the earth!


What I get a kick out of is the ancients looked up in the sky and were amazed - and they had NO IDEA how amazing it really is!! (And neither do we no doubt!)


78 posted on 11/27/2007 11:16:30 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Alright, how many libs do we have to give up to fill it?


79 posted on 11/27/2007 11:23:45 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Elect Hussein Obama for President, give a kid a whack at it.)
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To: Phsstpok

“This is just the area where the matter and anti-matter of our single universe came together in symmetrical opposite “halves.” Enough of the matter/anti-matter at the edges have annihilated each other to leave this void between the two sectors.”

I like your explanation better. Scientists should really heed the principle of Ockam’s Razor more often. Two universes???


80 posted on 11/27/2007 11:34:33 PM PST by TheThinker
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