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School Officials Ban Organizations from Offering Bibles
Christian Action League ^ | November 28, 2007 | L.A. Williams

Posted on 11/29/2007 12:36:32 PM PST by Sopater

FAYETTEVILLE — School officials in Cumberland and Harnett counties who have banned organizations from offering Bibles to elementary students may want to beef up their studies of Constitutional case law and reconsider their decisions.

"In their efforts to appease the American Civil Liberties Union, these eastern North Carolina school systems are violating citizens' First Amendment rights to free speech and failing to acknowledge a 2001 Supreme Court ruling," said Christian Action League Executive Director Rev. Mark Creech.

The Cumberland County Public Schools notified elementary principals Nov. 19 to prohibit Bibles or other "poselytizing texts" from being handed out, citing a 1998 federal case (Peck v. the Upshur County Board of Education). The board's decision followed a nearly identical ruling by the adjacent Harnett County Schools earlier in November. Both were in response to legal threats from the ACLU, which reported complaints about Bibles being made available for students by The Gideons International, an evangelistic group known for its Scripture sharing efforts.

Both boards cited fears that the Gideon Bibles (actually, New Testaments which are typically placed on tables in a classroom for students who may choose to pick one up) would be misconstrued as the school's endorsement of a specific religion and violate the Establishment Clause.

The Alliance Defense Fund sent a letter Nov. 20 advising Cumberland County Schools Superintendent William C. Harrison that his administration did not need to prohibit outside groups from leaving Bibles at its elementary school campuses and that the school system is being "wrongly accused" by the ACLU.

"Bibles are not second-class to other types of written materials left for students to read voluntarily. There's nothing unconstitutional about outside groups leaving Bibles at public schools so long as the schools do not prohibit other groups from leaving their literature as well," wrorte ADF Senior Legal Counsel David Cortman in the letter.

Ironically the Peck ruling is, in part, the basis for the ADF's contention that the Bible distribution is perfectly legal. ("We hold, accordingly, that the state does not violate the Establishment Clause when it permits private entities to passively offer the Bible or other religious material to secondary school students ... pursuant to a policy of allowing private religious and nonreligious speech in its public schools.")

The ADF letter admits that the Peck ruling did raise some question about the impressionability of elementary age students but informs the school system of a clarifying ruling three years later from the U.S. Supreme Court. In Good News Club v. Milford Central School, the high court ruled that an outside group's religious activity cannot be prohibited "on the basis of what the youngest members of the audience might misperceive."

The ACLU had claimed that students might interpret the availability of the Bibles by an outside group as an endorsement of religion by the school, and education officials refused to stand up for free speech.

"If we tried to fight it we would have to be ready to take the case all the way to the United States Supreme Court, and that is not something I recommeded," Harnett County Schools attorney Duncan McCormick told The Daily Record in Dunn according to a Nov. 1 article.

While education officials cowered in the face of the ACLU complaint, the ADF is confident enough in its legal position to offer to represent Cumberland County Schools should the district resume allowing the distribution of Bibles and is then challenged in court by the ACLU or any other organization.

According to the Nov. 20 Fayetteville Observer, Cumberland County Schools' attorney David Phillips had initially said he believed the Peck ruling allowed for outside groups to make Bibles available to students. But he changed his mind a week later.

Creech and the Christian Action League hope to see both county school boards change their minds once again after hearing from the Alliance Defense Fund and from Christian constituents who are speaking out in favor of Bible distribution.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bibles; freedomofreligion; publicschools
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Both boards cited fears that the Gideon Bibles (actually, New Testaments which are typically placed on tables in a classroom for students who may choose to pick one up) would be misconstrued as the school's endorsement of a specific religion and violate the Establishment Clause.

Both schools are scared of the ACLU.
1 posted on 11/29/2007 12:36:33 PM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Many of the people that grew up to make this country great learned to read from the bible.


2 posted on 11/29/2007 12:45:25 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Sopater

Their cohorts in Beijing would be so proud.........


3 posted on 11/29/2007 12:46:32 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Sopater
"violate the Establishment Clause"

Yah, the part the says "..or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

4 posted on 11/29/2007 12:48:28 PM PST by drc43 (Defeat is within our grasp... Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Sopater

We need to get rid of the federel statute allowing the ACLU to collect their fees from the government when they sue government entities. That would put a real hurt on their anti-American activities.


5 posted on 11/29/2007 12:53:33 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Sopater

It really is time for Americans to rise up and take our country back while we still have a country to take back.

I suggest starting with the ACLU - those perfidious worms and destroyers of American culture and traditional values.


6 posted on 11/29/2007 12:58:29 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Abso-doggone-lutely we do. The Pubs took a pass on that when they controlled Congress.

Need candidates that will speak to and support this.

7 posted on 11/29/2007 12:59:37 PM PST by drc43 (Defeat is within our grasp... Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Sopater

Will everyone be okay with this when Muslim groups come in and hand out Korans to the children to take home?
Atheists and Dawkin’s book?
Catholics and a book on the Saints?


8 posted on 11/29/2007 1:02:11 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Sopater; metmom; SoftballMominVA; Amelia

Last night and yesterday, we had an organization at our school called FUTURENOW (google it-futurenow.us)

Their goal: positive thinking, good choices and, prepare yourself, Christ! Yes! In a public school! With BIBLES to give away!

I know this may come as a shock that such would happen in a public school, but when you live in the Rural South, and I do mean RURAL South, you can have this sort of thing happen and not get the ACLU all bent out of shape.

There are some good things that happen in schools once and a while, and the ACLU needs to chill. You are not required to take a copy, but to be fair, there should be a Koran too, which you can pick up IF YOU CHOOSE. (I am not endorsing Islam, merely making a point)


9 posted on 11/29/2007 1:08:51 PM PST by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est)
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We had “Young Life” when I was in high school (in the South). Looking back on it, I know it would not fly today, as they has access to the PA system, handed out flyers in class, used the locked bulletin boards for displays, etc.
If other religious groups asked for and were granted that kind of access today, a lot of people would come unglued.


10 posted on 11/29/2007 1:18:13 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: mountainbunny

I bet they’re allowed to pass out condoms.


11 posted on 11/29/2007 1:35:06 PM PST by berkley
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To: berkley

Maybe.
Dunno.
What does that have to do with religion in schools and whether people would be okay with all religions having equal access?


12 posted on 11/29/2007 1:36:32 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Sopater

They’d probably attempt top ban handing out copies of the U.S. Constitution, too.


13 posted on 11/29/2007 1:45:52 PM PST by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: Sopater

Yankees and carpetbaggers are destroying the NC I grew up in.... Sigh.


14 posted on 11/29/2007 1:47:12 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Sopater
The Cumberland County Public Schools notified elementary principals Nov. 19 to prohibit Bibles or other "poselytizing texts" from being handed out

Over-under on whether the district mandates the showing of Algore's 'proselytizing' pack of propaganda for the 'religion' of AGW?

15 posted on 11/29/2007 1:52:16 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Sopater

The ACLU has twisted the words of seperation of religion and state. They need to be stopped. I wish the parents would take their schools back or their kids and grandkids will be knocking at their doors one of these days to arrest them. In a Hillary world, family loyalty doesn’t count. The opposite is true.


16 posted on 11/29/2007 1:57:39 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: mountainbunny
What does that have to do with religion in schools and whether people would be okay with all religions having equal access?

Actually having equal access to all religions would be an improvement on the current status. Today only one religion is allowed. Happens that that one allowable religion has no particular problem allowing access to other religions, so long as they aren't connected in any way with a particular document. Teacher has the kids pretend to be Muslims for a day, no prob. Somebody sings "Silent Night" in the gym and it's "Everybody out of the pool!!"

17 posted on 11/29/2007 2:15:21 PM PST by thulldud
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To: Sopater

Even in Catholic School they just didn’t give out Bibles. I guess you could have gotten one from one of the Priests or Nuns, but most families had one on the coffee table anyway. Don’t non-Catholic families have Bibles and must receive free Bibles too. This socialistic environment is getting worse. Go out and buy a Bible for the family. That would seriously solve this problem.


18 posted on 11/29/2007 2:27:27 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Sopater
The Gideons passed out pocket size Bibles to anyone who wanted one in my elementary school. It didn’t seem to scar anyone for life.
19 posted on 11/29/2007 2:29:06 PM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: shag377

At a school where I used to teach, the local ministerial alliance each year gave a personalized Bible to each graduating senior.

I never heard any complaints, but again, it was in the rural South...


20 posted on 11/29/2007 3:11:32 PM PST by Amelia
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