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New dual-caliber Israeli rifle could be next Bond star
The Jerusalem Post ^ | Nov 29, 2007 | YAAKOV KATZ

Posted on 11/30/2007 8:54:34 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Armedanddangerous
I know some cops on the swat team. They had the option of pistol caliber sub guns and they seem to think there really is no difference in stopping power in an 11 or 14 inch bbl, and subsonic 5.56 mm ammo is less penetrative than a 9mm out of an MP-5.

First, the average SWAT team member knows next to nothing about ballistics.

Second, ask the guys coming home from Iraq about the 9mm. It doesn't work on crazy Jihadists. The .45 still stops lunatics in their tracks.

Third, ask the guys coming home from Iraq about the 5.56. They will also tell you it is too small of a round for effective combat.

PS: Remember, the 5.56 was the brainchild of Robert McNamara and bunch of over-educated elites that never shot a weapon in their life. It was a vanity project.

101 posted on 12/01/2007 3:13:37 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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Yet for some reason the 5.56 continues to be adopted by country after country.

I read this month’s American Rifleman and the Swiss had ammunition trials. The 62 grain 5.56 won over the 6.5.


102 posted on 12/01/2007 7:35:40 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I fear I was unclear..

They opted for 14 inch 5.56 colt commandos rather than 9mm or 40 cal HKs, which they could have gotten.


103 posted on 12/01/2007 2:28:56 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: Squantos
Dealer had a used FN P90 on the shelf as well for 1700$ and I am considering selling the Girl Friday into a life of slavery to pay for that one is well........good or bad idea ?

The FN P90 is always a good idea. I'm just not sure if that's a good price for a used one. It might be, if it comes with a couple cans of ammo, or a truckload (actually, just a big bag) of extra mags.

104 posted on 12/01/2007 3:15:53 PM PST by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: 300winmag

Good info.......still looking......


105 posted on 12/01/2007 4:02:56 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: MindBender26
“Plus, a number of rifles can switch calibers by switching barrels ***(and in some cases, bolts and/or magazines.)***”

I think the idea was found to be unfeasible way back in 1918 with the Petersen device for the 1903 Springfield.

Why carry the equivalent of two rifles into a battle or one rifle with spare parts for a different caliber.

106 posted on 12/01/2007 8:57:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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>>>>Why carry the equivalent of two rifles into a battle or one rifle with spare parts for a different caliber.

The ability to use use ammunition used by allies, such as 9mm in our otherwise .45 weapons.

Better performance using the basic action but different calibers, such as the 6.5 Grendel, the 6.8 SPC and the .50 Beowulf uppers on the basic M-16 action.

The 6.5 Grendel uses almost all standard M-16 parts, inc. magazines, but it’s ballistics are so good that out past 600 meters, it has more energy than a 7.62 x 51 (NATO) round!

For close in work, the .50 Beowulf has muzzle energy in the area of 3000 lbs, all on that same M-16 action.

Check out the Alexander Arms websites for more info.

107 posted on 12/01/2007 10:33:42 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Vaquero

I would have liked Hugh Jackman (Wolverine) as Bond.


108 posted on 12/01/2007 10:40:07 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: Pistolshot
Conversion from 5.56 to 9mm. Hmmmm....seems like I've seen this before.

Total hype.

USSOCOM is preparing to field the caliber-convertible SCAR.

FNH SCAR

109 posted on 12/02/2007 7:07:36 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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