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Anti-Christian Crusade (Beowulf)
National Review Online ^ | November 30, 2007 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 12/01/2007 2:06:52 PM PST by ChessExpert

Anti-Christian Crusade - Beowulf is the latest installment in Hollywood’s attempt to reconfigure history

By now, the oft-recurring negative portrayals of Christianity in major Hollywood movies have become hackneyed and predictable. The recent rendition of Beowulf only reinforced this trend. The same subtle depictions and motifs present in movies from decades past were once again present, a favorite being the attempt to try to depict pagans as “open-minded” and “free-spirited” peoples, or, quite anachronistically, as medieval counterparts to the modern, secular, liberal. The idea being that pagan peoples — unencumbered by the suffocating forces of Christianity — were/are happy, passionate folk, able to live life to the fullest.

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KEYWORDS: antichristianbias; beowulf; movie; moviereview; nro
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To: RayChuang88

Hold it right there!! The story of Beowulf is essentially a pre-Christian story, so calling it “anti-Christian” doesn’t make sense here.

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(never saw it)

If it’s a pre-Christian Hollywood movie, then it probably doesn’t accurately reflect the superstitious, 100% illiterate, barbaric, human sacrifice, cannabalistic, brutal, murdering, robbing, alcoholic, drug using warlike Pagan cultures of the day.

Christianity is the only light to the world. Without Christianity this world would probably have never seen the renaissance. EVER! It would be a cold dark place.


61 posted on 12/02/2007 12:28:59 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: t2buckeye

Hollywood does the same thing to conservatives and Republicans...did anyone notice that when Bill Clinton was president, we had films like “Air Force One” and “Independence Day”...where the president was heroic? Up until that point, (and since Bush took office) the president is either stupid, inept, or a traitor. I thought my husband was just being paranoid when he mentioned this to me, but....

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Communist propaganda.


62 posted on 12/02/2007 12:38:02 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: wardaddy

Actually....anti-Christian bigotry in Hollywood and television and advertising is so common, it’s just assumed it normal and that everyone feels that way.

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How about V for Vendetta.


63 posted on 12/02/2007 12:40:21 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Cicero
A great deal of The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarilion are based on Beowulf and the other Old English and Germanic tales.

Likely that is because Tolkien was probably the leading scholar of Beowulf in the early mid 20th century.

64 posted on 12/02/2007 12:47:43 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: Radix
I have no doubt that the "epic of Gilgamesh” will in time follow this endeavor from Hollywood, and that there will be similar protests.

Well if they make a Gilgamesh movie that referenced either Judaism or Christianity in any way it would certainly be anachronistic. I do not remember any religious protests against any strictly pagan movies from a theological viewpoint (sex and violence is another matter, of course.)

65 posted on 12/02/2007 12:52:17 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: drc43

As an English teacher who actually teaches Beowulf, I actually liked the 3D; the story...if not compared to the original epic...was not bad. Beowulf is an epic hero, and the one portrayed in the movie is more of a tragic hero who must deal heroically with the consequences of his own actions. Beowulf is NOT a pre-Christian story, however. It has elements of both pagan and Christian in it. The difference is that in the original epic poem, Beowulf pays allegiance to God as well as the pagan view of fate.
That being said...I stand by my original statement that Christianity is treated differently than in the original poem i.e. real men aren’t Christians
Does it mean we shouldn’t go see it? No....but it’s good to be aware


66 posted on 12/02/2007 5:39:08 AM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Chickensoup
"Except that their people have the courage and passion to protect their faith. I dont agree with their methods but it would be nice if some Christians developed courage and protected what they believe."

It would be even especially nice IMO if Christians were to actually take the time to read the Bible.

My sense is that very few actually do so.

67 posted on 12/02/2007 9:22:50 AM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I’ve read “Beowulf, the Monster, and the Critics,” and have his co-edition of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, with E. V. Gordon. The former is a good correction of some of the sillier theories about the poem. But I wouldn’t say Tolkien was a leading Beowulf scholar, as such. He knew his stuff, and his languages, but he spent too much time writing other things—the history of Middle Earth, The Silmarilion, The Lord of the Rings, and so on. It left him less time for scholarship.

An old English scholar who was a friend of mine once complained that Tolkien would have been a good Anglo-Saxon scholar if he had spent more time on it instead of writing those silly novels(!)

Personally, I think he made the right decision. He was an accomplished linguist, and he used his knowledge to create great fictional writings as well as popular essays.


68 posted on 12/02/2007 9:38:03 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ChessExpert
There are at least two of these "anti-Christian crusade" posts in FR today, following past posts against Harry Potter, the Rings trilogy, and a half dozen comic strips.

Beowulf is a dark story, boring to read but one of the basics for a long, long, time. Most (under 40) whom I've talked to didn't even know the story, didn't link it to the Thirteenth Warrior or any other film or book (I liked "Grendel") but were hyped on the special effects.

For crying out loud, let people see the films and make up their own minds! Christians don't need to force their individual interpretation on other Christians or other believers - that has been tried in the past with poor results.

It is also precisely what we blame islam for, only without the beheadings and such...

69 posted on 12/02/2007 9:57:41 AM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice - but he's looking better)
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To: t2buckeye

Hear Hear.....that is more or less how it sounds to me and you are right about Christian elements in Beowulf.

This smaller version from a few years ago too had anti-Christian elements which I had the chance to discuss with the writers on the film’s message board.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402057/

They actually owned up to the fact that it was a direct personal result of several of the folks involved in the film being non-Christian or hostile and the different writers ended up sparring amongst themselves between anti-Christians and Christians.

It’s sad it’s come to this where folks feel compelled to force their own peculiar social engineering into everything.

The old Hollywood bosses would have never tolerated such disrespect.


70 posted on 12/02/2007 10:13:06 AM PST by wardaddy (former shrew tamer who has given up and decided to be subservient)
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To: Hunterite
The story of Beowulf is essentially a pre-Christian story

If anybody here had actually seen the movie, it would been obvious that the first half was pre-Christian and the last half was post-Christian.

The last half had crucifixes, crosses, churches etc. that were totally devoid from the first half.

In fact near the end, Beowulf at one point says that the arrival of Christianity has 'left us without heroes'.

71 posted on 12/02/2007 10:17:00 AM PST by Vet_6780
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To: All

One of the writers is Neil Gaiman....a talented but very very liberal British Jewish and now Scientologist writer who loves putting homosexuality themes into much of his work.

Gaiman is a leftist writer’s leftist writer.....

The other writer is some guy named Avary whose claim to fame is about doing Tarantino stuff before Tarantino did.

In any event given writers like these and the climate they flourish in, is it any doubt that so many movies get in their digs at Christianity.

*Gaiman got in some hot water a few years ago for bashing Islam....some good in everyone I guess


72 posted on 12/02/2007 10:29:26 AM PST by wardaddy (former shrew tamer who has given up and decided to be subservient)
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To: Sir_Ed
It’s as if they’ve surrendered, like the battle was too much and they adopted the attitude of “Oh well, so they slur God and Christians...that doesn’t bother me any,” rather than fighting for our common culture and beliefs, which were, to this point at least, Christian.

It doesn't bother me. No movie, book or TV show can affect my faith. I'm not that weak. God is not that weak, either.

God is God. God does not require that I protect Him against slurs. I would be an idiot if I thought I could protect God. If I could, God wouldn't be what He is. He does not need my help.

The gods of some faiths are weak and human-like, needing constant defense. People following those gods spend their entire lives overwrought, threatening to kill everyone who insults their god.

Christians should take care not to be those people, removing divinity from God and replacing Him with an insecure shadow of what He is.

73 posted on 12/02/2007 10:34:30 AM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Vet_6780
"At one point Beowulf denigrates Christianity by stating (paraphrasing) "There have been no new heroes ever since we adopted the religion of the Christian Jesus".

Not sure how that denigrates Christianity but to each his own, I did not see it that way.
74 posted on 12/02/2007 11:46:09 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: ChessExpert
Oh please. Beowulf predates Hollywood liberalism - and his paganism was always a part of the epic poem.

This screed is about as ridiculous as someone claiming making a movie about Greek mythology would be "anti-Christian."

75 posted on 12/02/2007 11:49:14 AM PST by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: PeteB570
Worst thing that ever happened to the Vikings was Christianity.

Um-- wasn't the pillaging in connection to them feeling invaded by a group of Christians?

76 posted on 12/02/2007 11:50:16 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Real Cynic No More
I am personally debating on Beowulf only because someone who's opinion I trust said it sucks.
77 posted on 12/02/2007 11:53:40 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: ChessExpert
Not only is Christianity fundamentally responsible for what many a Western liberal takes for granted — that is, the freedom and advancements of Western civilization — but also for much of the historical record from which movie-makers are able to exploit, warp, and subsequently rake in millions, was compiled by Christians. It is no small irony that the one single solitary manuscript that contains the text of Beowulf was written by a monk, and preserved in a monastery for centuries.

You mean freedom and civilization aren't just parts of the natural environment? Something liberals pluck from the trees like low hanging fruit?

78 posted on 12/02/2007 11:53:48 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Hunterite
How about V for Vendetta.

One of the most appalling films in the history of cinema.

79 posted on 12/02/2007 12:00:10 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Radix

It would be even especially nice IMO if Christians were to actually take the time to read the Bible.

Perhaps, but once they do they close into enclaves that ignore the world


80 posted on 12/02/2007 2:08:08 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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