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To: Jacquerie
I have no doubt that many gays have served honorably.
The big question in my mind is how to maintain good order and discipline if openly gay sailors are on board Navy ships. Open berthing, very tight quarters, shared heads and showers. Or do we create ANOTHER separate setup like we had to do for women?? Just how much room do these people think there is on a Destroyer anyway?
Can also see many lost at sea incidents. Awful dark out there.
Jack
10 posted on 12/02/2007 4:56:47 AM PST by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: btcusn; cgbg
Senior officers are highly skilled executive leaders. They are also to a large extent politicians.

I would place far more value on a survey conducted at the deckplate level, E-4 and below.

18 posted on 12/02/2007 5:05:47 AM PST by Jacquerie (Navy 38 Army 3)
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To: btcusn
Why limit just gays? Why not have a policy on Bi sexuals too? You know first married to the opposite, then divorced, then official papers retirement with both men?

And how about transexuals? You know the Colonel is now wearing a dress?

Maybe a Navy chapter of the North American Man (cabin)boy Love Association?

Ask Hillary in two parts. Set her up with the gays, which she would go for, and then ask her why she is a bisexual, transgendered, NAMBL bigot.

44 posted on 12/02/2007 5:59:38 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: btcusn
The big question in my mind is how to maintain good order and discipline if openly gay sailors are on board Navy ships. Open berthing, very tight quarters, shared heads and showers.

The sailors who most adversely impact good order and discipline are the ones who get so drunk in port that they puke in the scuttlebutts (drinking fountains), urinate in the berthing and take a crap in the shower stalls. I've witnessed all three events. Then we have the "skaters" --sailors who are tasked with a ten minute job only to disappear for the next three hours. We have the malingerers who need to go to medical for every hangnail and runny nose. Finally, we have my favorite, the thieves who will steal anything from their shipmates that isn't locked down. I'll take a hard-working gay shipmate who kept his sex life to himself over any of the above.

Or do we create ANOTHER separate setup like we had to do for women??

And that's worked so well. At least on carriers where we have no less than two dozen females per deployment who are either medevaced off the ship or return to home port pregnant. Don't even get me started on the male/female lovers' quarrels and jealousy that takes place aboard ship during deployment.

Can also see many lost at sea incidents. Awful dark out there.

Lost at sea incidents are rare in today's navy. Many of them are suicides and happen towards the end of deployment when the sailor realizes he is returning home to the same problems he put on hold when he went underway. Others are accidents. Everyone already knows who the gay sailors are. Nobody's throwing them over the sides.

71 posted on 12/02/2007 7:14:31 AM PST by Drew68
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