DUH! Is there really any more shame that Muslims could possibly bring on themselves?
Posted on 12/03/2007 6:37:42 AM PST by FreePerSe
Muslims Reaction brings shame to Islam
Dec 03, 2007 04:30 AM
`Kill her by firing squad!'
protesters chant
Dec. 1
I have been following with embarrassment and shame the case of Gillian Gibbons and her class teddy bear. To construe that naming a child's toy Muhammad is an insult to our beloved Prophet is unreasonable. To protest it is ludicrous. To carry it so far as to bring a criminal conviction against Gibbons and to call for her execution is sheer madness.
The actions of the Sudanese government and people in this regard have the effect of portraying Muslims as being small-minded, overly touchy and paranoid, ready to perceive insult where none is intended, and, more dangerously, given to resolving all differences through violence. It is not Gibbons who brings shame to Islam. It is the reaction of Muslims to her action that brings shame to Islam.
The atrocities that are currently taking place in Sudan are not only an insult to Islam but to all humankind. My brothers and sisters in Islam would be better served by raising their voices against the travesty that is Darfur. A nation that encourages the genocide of its people and that allows innocent men, women and children to be massacred is the real enemy of Islam
It’s just the nature of Islam. American Muslims don’t seem to have a good understanding of their own religion.
Perhaps it has that effect because that's who they are?
I realize I’m just a “infidel” but if you ask me, I think having a thieving, murdering, psychotic paeophile for a prophet is shaming enough. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of murders which take place every year in the name of allah.
Thyey are acting just as their religion tells them to...
What is Islam based on?
Mohammed went into “trances” and fits (like epileptic fits) when he was given the “word of God” and would shout out what he was told. These would be written down by his followers. This is the makeup of the Koran.
When Mohammed was just walking and talking and acting like “normal”, his words and deeds were written down by his followers and this went into the Hadith. Now, acting “normal” for Mohammed was taking 12+ wives (including a 6 year old when he was 51), taking slaves (including sex slaves), executing infidels, conducting raids for treasure, etc.
Now, this is where it gets complicated.
A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).
Now, how Mohammed determined which verses were from God and which were from Satan I do not know.
Also, there were literally dozens of widely different versions of the Hadith floating around right after Mohammends death and there are large amounts of Hadith that are disputed. Now, even Mohammed could not remember what he was told by God and forgot it (those are his words as written in the Hadith) so I do not know how the powers in charge decided which was the correct version.
Also according to the Hadith, Mohammed turned people into monkeys, you can determine a child’s sex depending on whether the male or female has an orgasm first (that advice came directly from the Angel Gabriel), dogs are evil and should be killed, that the devil lives in your nose at night (and how to get rid of him in the morning), chess is forbidden, muslims have one intestine while infidels have seven, don’t pray looking up or your eyes will be snatched away, that one wing of a fly is poison but the other is the cure, that drinking camel urine is good for you and I could go on.
And that Mohammed himself didn’t even know if he was going to heaven. If even Mohammed doesn’t know, what chance does the average muslim have?
And for some non-PC info, Mohammed was described as a white man.
Now, if you can bear it, to compare to the Gospels of New Testament.
Jesus was someone who lived a very humble life and was killed for basically saying he was a King and Son of God (blasphemy) by the powers in charge (Roman and Jewish). The government wanted Jesus destroyed and wanted his growing movement destroyed (as it threatened their power). If, after 3 days, the followers of Jesus proclaimed he has risen from the dead, (just as he predicted), and is truly our Savior, the High Officials would have wanted to destroy such a “myth.” They could have easily done this by producing the dead body of Jesus and saying “Your Messiah is still dead and so is your movement” or producing many eye witnesses of the dead Jesus. But they couldn’t.
The letters that make up the core of the New Testament were written by the eye witnesses of the events of Jesus or by their associates. They were written in just one generation when many other eye witnesses were still alive. They were written without collusion from other Apostles. Even if any of the Apostles wanted to “add” to the “myth” of Jesus, they would have done so in a very disjointed and easily detectable fashion. Yet, the main Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that describe the life of Jesus are amazingly in harmony with one another and the small differences are consistent with what we would see today if four people witnessed a major event and wrote about the event apart from each other. The Gospels can be traced back to their sources and are basically unchanged from their originals.
The Bible (especially the New Testament) is the most investigated historical document in the history of the world. It has been investigated by scientists, philosophers and archeologists using technology undreamed of when the Bible was written. It is been desperately tried to be “disproved” for over 2000 years, yet, the Bible still stands as the truth.
The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.
Regards,
2banana
PS - There are many topics that could be compared - The stories of a adulterous woman is found in both the Bible and Koran. They seem to sum up each religion.
Christianity
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:1-11)
Islam
There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Gamid and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.’ He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: ‘Allah’s messenger, why do you turn me away? ... By Allah I have become pregnant.’ He said ‘Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth.’ When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag, and said ‘Here is the child whom I have given birth to.’ He said ‘Go away and suckle him until you wean him.’ When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said ‘Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.’ He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. (Sahih Muslim 4206)
Jesus
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. (Mark 12:28-34)
Mohammed
Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next in goodness? He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj Mubrur.”
“Believers! - wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.” (Koran 9:124)
Sudanese f***wits.
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This guy gets it!!
Nooooowww......
If someone could only bring his level of mature thinking to the PC American LEFT FIELD BLEACHERS!!
(I know, I know..... NOT!!! likely....[sigh])
BTW....
HEADS UP PEOPLE...
YOU DON'T HAVE A "RIGHT"...
...NOT TO BE "OFFENDED"!!!
When someone else chooses freely to exercise their God-given rights of free speech and expression in various artistic, and political forms....
Including.....and sometimes ESPECIALLY....
Regarding matters of faith and theology!!
A reasonable Muslim. That makes a grand total of two that I’ve now heard from.
Um.
Your brothers and sisters in Islam are the ones causing the travesty in Darfur.
Portraying?! I'd say that this depiction of the Islamic world is not only accurate, but is also supported by centuries of evidence.
It’s way more than the Teddy Bear Fiasco in Sudan that is portraying Muslims (correctly) as being small-minded, touchy and paranoid. It is every action that the world sees.
FreePerSe - was this written by you? There is no name attached to the statement. I notice you have posted articles, but make no comments.
DUH! Is there really any more shame that Muslims could possibly bring on themselves?
Calling teddy bears, pink pigs and such Mohammed brings shame to stuffed toys. I go to the restroom to take a Mohammed; flush it down the toilet, and don’t insult children’s toys by naming them after it.
Why are you suprised? Islam is codified madness, by its very definition. The scribbles of the incoherent rants by a mental patient centuries ago. Islam is the execution of Satans greatest deceit.. .not that he does not exist as some would claim, but that he is god.
I think that some of them shout a lot because they know that there are a lot of problems with their belief and it keeps them from thinking too much about it. At least the ones who think. They are defensive because their religion and its actions require an awful lot of intimidative defense.
The unreflective mob is a desired result of Friday “prayer.” As France is finding Islam is like a drift of locust that settles on your land and ruins it. To emulate the “prophet” means to rape, steal, and murder.
Agreed.
Heretical Muslims, and those heretics who collaborate with us Infidels are the reason we have a chance against the fundamentalists. The Muslim heretics are more interested in worldly things, than supernatural things. That is to our benefit. And there seems to be no shortage of them.
If the fundamentalist Muslims start to win, the heretics will "find religion" and get Infidel blood on their hands. Otherwise they will lose their heads. - tom,
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