Battle of the Surge (Surge is working; Leftists panic)

The Nation ^ | 12/3/07

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" I give it 6 months before the left has to eat their words on the lack of movement in the govt."
" Where will they move the goal posts then? "
Out in the parking lots ?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

"Just because the surge is working, doesn't mean it's really working"

It all depends on what your definition of what the word: is ( IS ) . lol

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I guess the next requirement that would be acceptable for the Rat/MSM is that the Iraqies need to be able to develope a moon rocket and moon rover to land on the moon in signs that things in Iraq are improving.

[Vet_6780]

It's still operation Roach Motel.

Instead of catching roaches, they now just keep them out.

Better approach although the MSM will never admit it.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" Do these facts change or color the effort to pull all of our troops out when it appears we might become victorious for the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq?” Panelist Jeralyn Merrit, of TalkLeft, responded, “The facts don’t matter!” When pressed for clarification, she continued: “That’s right. Facts don’t matter. We want our troops home. "


“The facts don’t matter!”

interpreted ?
( RATS/LIBS/MSM/DEMS )
" WAAAWAAAAAAAA WE DIDN'T GET OUR WAY,,,
WAWAWAAAAAAAA,,,, WE COULD NOT DUPE ALL of the PEOPLE, SOME ARE OFF THE PLANTATIION,,,
WAWAWAAAAA,,, OUR LIES HAS BEEN EXPOSED, OUR LIES ARE NOT AS EFFECTIVE ANYMORE ,,,,
WAWAWAAAA,,, WE CAN'T GET OUR WAY ANYMORE. "

Hey folks, that's the best I can do to interpreted it .

[Doctor Raoul]

TNR - Home of the Beachamp

[ChiMark]

I was duped. I began to think the “Nation” was heralding
victory but then I read the first paragraph.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

The Democrat will spin this and take credit that if it was not for them, we would not have victory in Iraq, and the proof of that is that President Bush will be sending some troops home in 08.
Or ?
The Democrats will spin it that if it was not for the fact that the DEMS held their ground and forced President Bush to send the troops home.

The Democrats are despicable, they would even take credit for creating the world in 5 days instead of giving God the credit.

[goldstategop]

Exactly. These people do not really welcome peace. They are anti-American to the core. True lovers of peace would rejoice in the success of our military in Iraq and do all they can to help defeat Al Qaeda, eliminate terrorism and bring hope, freedom and real security to the Iraqi people. Our so-called "peace movement" does the exact opposite. They have fought The Surge every step of the way, not because they want an end to war and suffering but because they want to inflict defeat upon America. Its time we understood their true agenda.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Billthedrill]

the outcome of the domestic debate on Iraq depends in large part on the perception of success or failure...

It does indeed, and it isn't particularly difficult to read into this that The Nation is spinning desperately and knows it. The invocation of President Bush's objectives concerning political stability was hilarious - now The Nation has set the bar there? And is concerned that the conclusion of having done so is that we'll have to stay in Iraq for awhile?

Well, that's what you get when you move the goalposts - once in awhile the new spot isn't quite so comfortable, and running out Tom Hayden, of all people, to proclaim a new antiwar jeremiad is as risible as clinging to Bush's objectives. At what point do they simply admit they've run out of ideas and close up shop?

Probably never. It's delicious to see this bunch of Vietnam retreads watch their political cudgel turn into a twig in their hands. When they get to the point of claiming that Iraq has been a failure because all the children there don't have fuzzy puppies, call me.

[NeoCaveman]

Invested in defeat.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Related thread:

The Bastion Of Far Left Liberalism Admits Iraq Is Changing Course, ( SF Chronicle Admits it )

[Plutarch]

Must be an article from The Nation.

You can't really tell from an article whether it is The Nation or the New York Times, or the NYT from your local paper. It is all one and the same.

[dearolddad]

Must be an article from The Nation.

Doesn't David Corn (a splinter on the dildo of life) write for the nation? This article looks like his usual tripe.

[y6162]

“A poll released in September showed 70 percent of Iraqis saying the surge has “hampered conditions for political dialogue..”

Where do they get these polls? Who’s doing the polling?

I suspect the Nation polled its Al Qaeda friends.

[txhurl]

Where will they move the goal posts then?

They'll bitch about Iraqi cable TV being snowy and blurry during overflights.

[SuziQ]

The left HAS to discount any positive effects of the surge. It was their intention to run against the Republican nominee, linking him with the President and his ‘failed Iraq policies’. Since that is now being denied them, they have to make it SEEM like the surge is failing, so they can still use their ‘hate Bush’ playbook.

[Swiss]

On August 8, 1862 Edwin Stanton (Lincoln Sec. of War) issued an order to “arrest and imprison any person or persons who may be engaged, by act, speech or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments, or in any way giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or in any other disloyal practice against the United States.”

I wish we would return to the good old days.