To: kathsua
This is ridiculous. The greenhouse effect is a natural atmospheric phenomena recognized for over a century, and it’s as real as gravity. Al Gore didn’t invent it. It’s a vital thing - without it, earth would have an average global temperature of 0 degrees F. It is the reason Venus is a hellish, sweltering place. You can test it with an infrared thermocam and a tube full of CO2 - the CO2 will block out and absorb heat. The politics of global warming are another matter, but don’t try and deny a basic fact of science.
3 posted on
12/03/2007 11:20:04 AM PST by
PC99
To: PC99
What are you doing waving your “science” around? Don’t you know physical processes vary according to the political climate?
5 posted on
12/03/2007 11:23:49 AM PST by
ahayes
("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
To: PC99
"......but dont try and deny a basic fact of science."
That is similar to my reaction, but I disagree that it is a hard fact. It is such a widely accepted phenomenon that I would tend to doubt this guy in 1908 properly simulated earths atmosphere and solar radiation.
HOWEVER, it is NOT hard fact. For it to be hard fact, we would have to be able to directly measure the phenomenon. I would like you to provide information about how this is done. I am not talking about computer models that based their calculations on excepted properties of atmospheric gases. Even satellites that read surface and atmospheric temperatures DO NOT measure the green house effect itself. The greenhouse effect is simply calculated based on accepted scientific properties.
6 posted on
12/03/2007 11:25:20 AM PST by
z3n
To: PC99
Thank you for the voice of reason. I honestly couldn’t believe what I was reading in this article.
To: PC99
“a tube full of CO2...”
Maybe. But try comparing a tube with a concentration of, say, 250 ppm of C02 with another containing 350 ppm.
That, to me, is the real issue.
11 posted on
12/03/2007 11:36:45 AM PST by
Elpasser
To: PC99
the CO2 will block out and absorb heat How does it block out and absorb heat at the same time?
12 posted on
12/03/2007 11:37:30 AM PST by
SwankyC
To: PC99
It is the reason Venus is a hellish, sweltering place. I'm sure its proximity to the giant heat radiating fireball in the sky has nothing to do with it.
17 posted on
12/03/2007 11:49:46 AM PST by
Perchant
To: PC99
Remember the DUmmie who did an experiment with a some lighter fluid and steel mesh that “disproved” the “official story” of the 9/11 attacks?
18 posted on
12/03/2007 11:52:12 AM PST by
steve-b
(Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
To: PC99
You can test it with an infrared thermocam and a tube full of CO2 - the CO2 will block out and absorb heat. The politics of global warming are another matter, but dont try and deny a basic fact of science.I think the description was poorly written or the experiment was poorly designed.
They never discussed the "check valve effect". The salt plate will transmit back out the longer wavelengths from reradiation better than the glass model. By interposing glass before the salt plate, the experimenter blocked the longer wavelengths beyond glass's cutoff.
IR Spectrometery was not in any serious use till the 1940's, and as late as the 1960's IR Imaging was primitive.
1909 was a long, long way from FLIR. I would be tempted to dissmiss the work as a well-intentioned quaint attempt at understanding, like the Ether Theory and Spontaneous Generation of microorganisms, myself.
To: PC99
This is ridiculous. The greenhouse effect is a natural atmospheric phenomena recognized for over a century, and its as real as gravity. Try reading the paper. The bottom line is that the way the earth behaves is very much different than how a greenhouse behaves and the notion that either is warmed by 'reflective' radiation is a fundamental violation of the second law of thermodynamics.
28 posted on
12/03/2007 2:33:02 PM PST by
Ditto
(Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
To: PC99
It doesn’t follow the models. Look at the satellite data.
To: PC99
“It is the reason Venus is a hellish, sweltering place. You can test it with an infrared thermocam and a tube full of CO2 - the CO2 will block out and absorb heat. The politics of global warming are another matter, but dont try and deny a basic fact of science.”
That’s why I agree with you. It’s the reason Mars is so HOT! (not)
35 posted on
12/03/2007 4:18:32 PM PST by
steveab
(When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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