Posted on 12/03/2007 5:58:39 PM PST by tyen
A highly decorated Arab-American sergeant in the US army, who is currently serving as a paratrooper in Afghanistan, faces deportation on his return to the United States because of an irregularity in his immigration papers.
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I'll wager that an order from the INS would trump any DoD enlistment....unless,perhaps,the Commander-in-Chief becomes involved.
I believe he could very well be a plant...but am not certain.But in these circumstances I say deport him...just to be on the safe side.
He is at a great risk of being killed by the terrorists if he goes back to Morocco.
Not if he's a plant.
Are you willing to send a man for a potential death at the hand of terrorists after he put his life at risk fighting for the USA?
Under these circumstances,yes.
WOW!!! I think we do not need to argue anymore, there is no value of arguing.
He’s American enough for me. Let’s keep him.
One man, even if he is some sort of sleeper, can’t hurt our cause as much as deporting a brave and honorable man can.
Yes, mistakes are possible, just look at the Lebanese woman in the FBI and CIA, but really, I'm sure al-Qaeda can hire an ex-spetsnaz guy to train them as well. It's going to happen, and some people will spy against or betray their country, even if they were born and raised in America. Now am I arguing some guy fresh off the boat should from Saudi Arabia should be let into the military and get citizenship? No of course not. But for this guy, 20 years in the US, no problems, and a Sergeant in the Army to boot? He gets a pass from me.
Army Chaplain - Faith Distinctive
Army Chaplains are expected to observe the distinctive doctrines of their faith while also honoring the right of others to observe their own faith. The Army is a pluralistic environment. Rabbis, Ministers, Imams and Priests serve our Soldiers with conviction and commitment. While serving their own faith groups in the Army, chaplains also ensure and provide the means for others to observe their own faith in accordance with US law and regulations.
Me thinks he could apply for the Army Chaplain Corps.
What say to that, Gay State Conservative.
Like I said before, if his superiors are willing to go to bat for him, I think they have a pretty good idea of what this guy is made of, and we should support them in their efforts to avoid having this guy deported
Deport him.
Not necessarily *all* muslims.But the ones who engaged in marriage fraud in order to gain admission to the US...no citizenship...and no residency.
You're saying that none of the Iraqis that put their asses on the line, put their own families in grave risk by acting as interpreters for US troops should have been given asylum?
I understand that there have been at least a few such people...and maybe more than a few.Those people....*assuming that they've never violated US law*...just might be worthy of receiving asylum.
Your saying that no muslim, no matter what he has done for this country should allowed to become a US citizen?
I'm saying that any muslim who's engaged in marriage fraud to gain entry into this country is suspect....*very* suspect...IMO.Regardless of what he/she might have done for this country.No citizenship...no residency....for any such muslim.Or for any such person.
I agree that if someone uses a sham marriage to gain access, they should ordinarily be deported. I just think that in this case, the statute of limitations should have LONG since expired. On top of that, I think he’s since proven his love and dedication to this country by going to war for it. Nothing sets off alarm bells for me, the fake marriage just shows he wanted to become an American at all costs. Is that the right way to go about things? No, but I think he has more than made up for it.
Did he engage in Marriage Fraud?????
US CODE: Title 8,1325. Improper entry by alien
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
Do you have any idea how often “sham” marraige is used to gain residency in this country????
Run of the mill visa abuse happens all the time all over the place with all kinds of people from all over the world. And it is definitely an immigration enforcement issue to be sure... but if you going to lie awake at night considering everyone who gain entry into this country through a “sham” marriage as a terrorist, you’d be wide awake all the time.
Enjoyed your postings on this thread. Bookmarked for later...
Once you get beyond paras, the concept of elite is pretty academic. The Taliban did not exactly run away in fear when confronted by the four Navy SEALS whose stand is depicted in sole survivor. Then they took out a helicopter with sixteen SEALS inside instead of fleeing. Plus, it wasn’t commandos who held Bastogne against 15 German divisions - it was a single para division.
Don’t you feel stupid writing after you not only wrote the second sentence of your posting but you put it out for the world to see? A ration of at least 25 to 1 in mountain combat takes the advantage away from a sailor’s SEAL training.
And your next sentence is just as ill considered as the previous one. The helicopter was shot down. That certainly makes it hard to bring to bare the training of the men who died in the crash.
If your concept of paratroopers was valid there wouldn’t be a need for a SPECOPS command because all that would be needed would be a phone call and paratroopers would do the work of the SPECOPS operators. That doesn’t happen because of the clear break between SPECOPS personnal,from all branches, and the want to bes.
Your World War II analogy doesn’t fit the discussion. There weren’t SPECOPS during WWII though the OSS served a similiar function.
And if your concept of spec ops was valid, there wouldn't be a need for paratroopers or even an army - we'd just have a bunch of spec ops people running around Iraq and Afghanistan. You've been watching too many Hollywood movies. It may or may not important to sort out those of our ground troops who might, in a pinch, be third string Olympic contenders. But they don't win battles like Bastogne, regardless of what your Hollywood-fueled fantasies may tell you. (And the fact that you haven't heard of the 508th, but seem to have ample information about the snake-eaters tells me that you've got a serious problem with proportion. Snake-eaters get to brag about being Olympic wannabes at best, but para divisions destroy large enemy units).
The idea that SPECOPS personnal can be pumped out in large numbers is incorrect. Few people who seek entry into the special operations unit or their respective military branch succeed.
Your third string Olympians comment is something I’d expect from a horse’s ass like Mrs.Bill Clinton.
It’s fine that you are aware that the Battered Bastards of Bastogne were the 508th but it has nothing to do with the current state of war.
I was incorrect about the position of paratroopers on the climb to the elite ranks. Rangers, Green Berets and Delta Force are more highly trained and skilled than are paratroopers thought I do realize Rangers are often in the paratroopers’ ranks instead of a Ranger Battalion, however, the question of Rangers being an elite force is also debated.
In case you haven’t realized, SPECOPS isn’t designed to fight large battles. It requires men who can accomplish a difficult task without the support of a large force, unlike paratroopers.
I am still chuckling about your Hollywood movies comment. It’s incorrect but still funny because of its silliness.
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