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Breaking News: Shots Fired Inside Westroads Mall (Omaha)
KETV, Omaha NE ^ | 12/5/2207 | KETV

Posted on 12/05/2007 12:23:01 PM PST by PrivateIdaho

An elderly man was found near an escalator in the store, and police said a young black man was being sought as the suspected shooter. Early indications were that as many as five people may be injured.

Colby Barak told KETV NewsWatch 7 that she was on lockdown inside Westroads Mall. She said she was doing Christmas shopping at Younkers, and an announcement was made that no one would be allowed to leave.

Just before 2 p.m., Barrett said, another announcement was made that shoppers could leave but would not be allowed back in.

Dozens of police and sheriff's cars were arriving at the mall.

A description of the shooter, broadcast over scanners, was that he was in an Army-green vest and was holding a rifle.

Another Westroads shopper, Kathy, told KETV NewsWatch 7 that she heard three pops. She said a Bath and Body Works manager approached her and told her to get out of the mall hallway as there was a situation, and a shooter had not been located.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: aksarben; crime; gunfree; gunfreezone; mall; nebraska; omaha; shooterdead; shooting; whiteguy
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To: Rick.Donaldson
And I carry both openly and concealed. Unfortunately, I MUST have a “permit” to hide my gun for some reason. If I’m carrying openly, I’m fine, but people tend to look at you funny when they see a weapon on your hip.

This shooting is a template for the jihadists. Imagine what two jihadists with automatic weapons could do.

Mall cops should be armed, shopkeepers should be armed, and citizens must be allowed to carry.

761 posted on 12/06/2007 7:49:14 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan

I’ve been predicting this as a jihadist thing for months, actually for about a couple of years now. This guy appears to be a 19 yr old white guy with a depression issues. So, no jihadis here.

I think we will see something very similar at several malls all at once if they were a cell or something. Not one place, but several at the same time. That’s the only way they could ensure they got many many people and security procedures weren’t put in place the next day around the country.


762 posted on 12/06/2007 8:04:23 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: XeniaSt
The beauty (or curse) of the internet is that makes it very easy to find sources that support any viewpoint. And, thus, it's also very easy to find oneself immersed in a perpetual p!ssing contest.

That said, I just did a literature search and ran across the following article, published in a peer-reviewed journal in 2001. In it is an interesting discussion on adolescent mass murderers, based on a retrospective review of data. It does not address the anitdepressant / antipsychotic issue -- that's not my point in posting it.

If you have the chance, and don't mind wading through a bit of psychiatric gobbledygook, I'd suggest looking at the introduction, "A Preliminary Typology" in the results section, and the discussion.

Offender and Offense Characteristics of a Nonrandom Sample of Adolescent Mass Murderers
763 posted on 12/06/2007 8:51:04 AM PST by GOPmember (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Lots of people carry here in Northern Nevada. If you're familiar with it, you can sometimes spot them quickly.

I've heard from someone I knew how an officer from the Reno Police Department came up to him while seated in front of a meal at a Mexican restaraunt and asked if he was carrying a firearm. He told the cop 'Yes, and I have a permit'. The policeman said 'Alright, show me your CCW license and we're done here'. Issue settled in a moment. Asked how the policeman knew he was carrying a gun, he was told that one of the restaurant workers noticed that she saw a gun in a holster in his waistband when he went for his wallet to pay at the counter before he sat down to his meal.

Why did they call the cops? Well, they're Mexican. Guns are illegal in Mexico. Naturally, all guns everywhere are illegal.

The manager/owner apologized for his counter person and said it would never happen again, but that still makes one Mexican restaurant in town that won't be getting my business.

764 posted on 12/06/2007 9:01:58 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

Yeah, there’s a couple places in town that lost a massive amount of business when they stuck photocopied “No Guns Allowed” signs in their windows here in the Colorado Springs area. One is a (I think now former) City Councilman who runs a book store. As soon as I saw the sign in the window, I went in and told him he was losing my business. He asked why, I pointed to the sign and said “You leftist, incorrect views of guns for one”.

He started a dissertation on why guns were “wrong” and I just walked out. Since then I KNOW of at least a couple of hundred people he lost as customers. Most were willing to overlook his ‘liberal rage’ and still shop in his book store (used books), but when he made it a point to force it on people then we took it to the pocket book. I know his store isn’t doing well (ok, well as defined as it used to be doing better).

So, while we didn’t “close him down” (and I don’t want to do that to any business...) he did get a message. LAST time I went past there I didn’t see the signs any more.


765 posted on 12/06/2007 9:08:13 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: GOPmember
Offender and Offense Characteristics of a Nonrandom Sample of Adolescent Mass Murderers

PAP ! vapid, vacuous.

766 posted on 12/06/2007 9:09:36 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
I just ignore the signs. Someone is going to have to formally ask me to leave the premises on behalf of the property owner if they operate a business catering to the public and they spot me carrying discreetly. I will honor their request and leave immediately without comment.

That's extremely unlikely anyway. The point of CCW is no one knowing about it.

767 posted on 12/06/2007 9:15:56 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: XeniaSt

Thank you for your critical and enlightening review.

Rather than respond to you again, I think I’ll just waste my time pondering the intricate nuances of your last post.


768 posted on 12/06/2007 9:19:02 AM PST by GOPmember (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: GOPmember
Thank you for your critical and enlightening review.

Rather than respond to you again, I think I’ll just waste my time pondering the intricate nuances of your last post.

There is nothing of any note in the article.

The only purpose served is to PUBLISH for credit.


769 posted on 12/06/2007 9:31:41 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: gracesdad

As soon as his family was notified, little ROBBY’S PICTURE WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS. This is about the criminally insane, and they can be any color.


770 posted on 12/06/2007 10:16:18 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: jennyjenny

That lady is in trouble. She said he smoked marijuana in his room and apparently, there is other background about drugs in her home. She’s liable for something imo. A nurse no less.


771 posted on 12/06/2007 10:17:29 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: Eaker
Well, there's workers comp since most of the victims were store employees. After that, the workers' comp carriers will sue the dept. stores, the mall, the relatives and the stupid nurse who allowed Robby to smoke pot in his guest room. Believe me, workers' comp will sue to recover damages they will pay out to the deceased employees of Von Mauer. (and also for medical treatment for the surviving victims).

That's how workers' compensation works. Then, the families can sue everybody as well. This will generate tons of lawsuits. Why don't people understand that with criminal activity there are also civil penalties.

Ever heard of a guy named OJ?

772 posted on 12/06/2007 10:21:33 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

He picked off customer service or gift wrap cuz those people had no way out. A lady hid in the bathroom by customer service and apparently, she was able to lock the door. She heard the massacre and now she’s obviously suffering from post traumatic stress. She was cryin’ on Fox this morning retelling of her time in the employee restroom waiting and listening.


773 posted on 12/06/2007 10:24:37 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

NPR for opera and for jazz. I turn All Things Considered off since it’s just things they considered.


774 posted on 12/06/2007 10:25:39 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: txflake

This is going to be a litigious affair of major proportions.


775 posted on 12/06/2007 10:26:35 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: AliVeritas

That woman, the nurse, is one big time dummy. She went to work instead of alerting the authorities and wondered what all the trauma was about there - a real “uh oh” moment.


776 posted on 12/06/2007 10:28:13 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: wardaddy

A witness said a Von Mauer employee escorted people from JC Penneys outside. The swat team was outside. Is that SOP?


777 posted on 12/06/2007 10:29:12 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Robby” stole $17 bucks from the register. He was fired for theft.


778 posted on 12/06/2007 10:30:16 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: keats5
On the other hand, that McDonald’s manager might be relieved there are not a bunch of dead McDonald’s employees tonight.

Good point. and McDonald's customers too.

779 posted on 12/06/2007 10:31:19 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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To: LibertyRocks

workers’ compensation for the dept. store(s) will sue cuz they are already writing checks to the families of the fallen and treating the victims until they reach MMI. And, that nurse where the kid stayed had drugs in the home and stated the shooter smoked pot in his room at her house.


780 posted on 12/06/2007 10:36:00 AM PST by floriduh voter (Terri Schindler Schiavo unwillingly gave her life to become a debate question.)
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