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Chertoff to deliver Texas landowners ultimatum on border fence
The Houston Chronicle/AP ^ | Dec. 6, 2007 | SUZANNE GAMBOA

Posted on 12/06/2007 1:17:42 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

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To: fishtank

Why is it justified. Homeland Security is riding roughshod over us for no reason — we’re already the only American citizens who have to put up with the jack-booted thugs of the federal government dictating how we live our lives (not to mention depriving us of our water and livelihood). Would those of you in Minnesota or northern NY (where terrorists have entered the United States) accept this kind of treatment?

What gives you the right to decide who is a second-class citizen?


21 posted on 12/06/2007 2:04:58 PM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: gridlock
Maybe they would prefer it if we fenced around the other side of their property and...turned it into a Free Fire Zone!
22 posted on 12/06/2007 2:05:39 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: okie01

This is valuable land. I can understand concerns about not wanting the government to come in and look around for how much they want. After assessing for what is needed then fence around them if an agreement can’t be met.


23 posted on 12/06/2007 2:07:55 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: YellowRoseofTx
>>>About 127 miles of land are being considered for the fencing and about 15 miles of that is on property where the government cannot get access

127 miles? Thats all? As for those 15 miles, go around them and they can become citizens of Mexico.<<<<

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Even worse, look at this highlighted excerpt from this article:

>>>..."SBInet," it may eventually monitor 6,000 miles of the U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. The government has withheld final payment on the initial $20 million contract while Boeing fixes glitches.<<<<<

Is this what Chertoff allocated the PHYSICAL border fence money to????


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119689136413514923.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news
Concerns Raised on Border Fence: Lawmaker Seeks To Delay Handover Of the Boeing System

In a letter sent late yesterday to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D., Miss.) cited continuing concerns by the committee that problems with the virtual-fence system known as Project 28 aren't fixed. The committee also is concerned that the effort doesn't give agents the technological advantages Boeing has promised.
Further delay of a project already almost six months behind could set back the credibility of both the effort and of Boeing. It also signals a determination by lawmakers to keep a sharp eye on how Homeland Security buys from the defense industry. Boeing's project is part of a larger effort estimated to cost taxpayers at least $8 billion through 2013, although a government watchdog has warned the costs could triple.
The effort is designed to make agents more effective at stopping smugglers and illegal immigrants by substituting technology for personnel. Known as "SBInet," it may eventually monitor 6,000 miles of the U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada. The government has withheld final payment on the initial $20 million contract while Boeing fixes glitches. Representatives for both Boeing and Homeland Security said they hadn't seen Mr. Thompson's letter.
Boeing has been waiting to turn over the first 28-mile section of the fence since the end of November. If the project is accepted, the government will operate the system alongside Boeing during a 45-day test period that may result in a formal handoff early next year.
...To track a smuggler, an agent in a vehicle can remotely operate a camera and radar system mounted atop a 98-foot tower. Officials have said the system will be capable of locating a person five miles away or a moving car at three times that distance. The network will be overseen by command centers that have the ability to tap into every tower.

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24 posted on 12/06/2007 2:08:03 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: wolfcreek

What they really need are pumping plants and piped diversions to pull water out of the river for either irrigation or livestock. The government could nullify these arguments quickly by providing the equipment and the installation of same, and then turning title to the water infrastructure over to the owner of the land.

Trouble is, this goes against the government’s established policy in the BLM and other agencies where, even if a landowner furnishes all the equipment and pumping plant himself to gain access to water on federal lands, the landowner must turn title of the equipment over to the feds.


25 posted on 12/06/2007 2:11:36 PM PST by NVDave
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To: SwinneySwitch

Chertoff is an extremely narrow minded puppet.


26 posted on 12/06/2007 2:12:15 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Calpernia
You didn't actually think this proMexicanInvasion administration and the proTerrorist Chertoff would actually DO anything, did you?



There is a moral, however.

"Never send a monkey to do a man's job."
~ Captain Leo Davidson

27 posted on 12/06/2007 2:15:53 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: cannonball
When the county wanted to put the county airport on our land, they were polite about it but we couldn’t say no.
28 posted on 12/06/2007 2:17:51 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Diogenesis
I actually had hopes that Chertoff would be dragged off in chains by now. I'm getting very scared that he hasn't been to date. See, he use to be our A.G. Before that, he use to work with Giuliani.

I thought we were all sunk once they silenced Curt Weldon.

New Jersey and Terrorism…Perfect Together

29 posted on 12/06/2007 2:19:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Ditter
Yep. Say no and they start condemnation procedings. I don’t know any case where the land owner has won that battle.
30 posted on 12/06/2007 2:23:14 PM PST by cannonball
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To: rpgdfmx

OK, then we can build the border fence about 15 miles on THIS side of the border?????


31 posted on 12/06/2007 2:23:22 PM PST by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: thackney

Bingo!


32 posted on 12/06/2007 2:27:48 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

The government took some of my family’s land for Lake Sam Rayburn. Surely they can take some of this land for the “common” good!


33 posted on 12/06/2007 2:31:21 PM PST by BeckB
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To: CindyDawg

Cindy, they don’t just fence around you. They take your land and you are compensated as they see fit.


34 posted on 12/06/2007 2:34:02 PM PST by cannonball
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To: cannonball

Eminent domain is a legitimate function of government, provided the government is acting on a compelling public interest. Controlling the border is a compelling public interest, therefore eminent domain is reasonable. The homeowner may not like it, but his property right is not absolute.


35 posted on 12/06/2007 2:46:11 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
about 15 miles of that is on property where the government cannot get access,

Send renio down there with a couple of tanks the FBI and a couple of Marshall's along with the atf, they'll get the ideal.

36 posted on 12/06/2007 3:13:08 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: cannonball
There is no proper exercise of eminent domain.

According to the 4th amendment there is!

37 posted on 12/06/2007 3:32:35 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
So since the Federal Government is ready to condemn private land for the fence, am I safe to assume that the fence has already been built on all the government owned land? Well, maybe that was a silly thought on my part. It seems to me (and I’m no fan of condemnation but do support the border fence), that we shouldn’t resort to eminent domain until it’s absolutely necessary to finish the project - maybe some of the holdouts would change their mind by that time.

More likely they are going after private land FIRST in the hopes of generating some controversy and reduce public support for the fence. After all, we all know how Americans feel about eminent domain since Kelo v. New London...

38 posted on 12/06/2007 3:45:22 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: wolfcreek

As much as I am a fan and support the fence...Chertoff has once again proven his inability to do the job and task at hand correctly...

Threatening is not the way to do this, even if someone doesn’t warm up to the idea of having the Federal government do something on their private property, in this case, not the damn TTC, property owners can be courted in a more positive light, and in a better, more contrite manner than this...

If we have gaps in our fence, then that is directly on the head of Chertoff and his minions in that department...

Thats where I believe some in the government realize that this idea of covering those gaps will work in their favor as far as putting surviellance in that “vitual fence” (bovine excrement!) idea...High-tech and high dollar do not give you the same kind of security that a physical wall will...

But they are trying like the dickens to sell us and put in a system with more holes in it than a dike in Denmark!

And I am not talking about a woman in comfortable shoes either!!! ;-)


39 posted on 12/06/2007 4:18:08 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Calpernia; saradippity
I actually had hopes that Chertoff would be dragged off in chains by now. I'm getting very scared that he hasn't been to date.

You're not the only one with that sentiment.

40 posted on 12/06/2007 5:15:30 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism"....Mel Gibson)
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