Posted on 12/07/2007 8:18:17 AM PST by Petronski
If that’s true, we’re stuck with Rudy and there’s nothing any of us can do about it.
I didn't even know they were dating.
The nomination will be determined on Super Duper Tuesday.
Tsunami Tuesday has a fatal flaw, it is too many states too early on.
I think the nomination will be decided no earlier than March 4th.
If you don’t like the polls, please don’t click on them. Others enjoy the “horserace”.
Fred in single digits now.
Ooookay. He needs to turn that the heck around or many will begin taking a second look at Romney and Huckabee.
Land in Idaho is still cheap right? Maybe I can get one of those books about moving off the grid. But it all doesn’t matter anyhoo because Harold Camping said the Jesus is coming in 2011, the Mayans said 2012, and Nostradamus said something similar.
Yes, don't like the message; kill (or defame) the messenger.
I keep telling you--the average person hears Huckabee for the first time and he likes what he hears. He's going to have his rough spots from here on now that he's clearly one of the frontrunners (live with it, it's true) but so far he's managed to handle the criticisms well.
The campaign is understaffed (so far) so he doesn't get briefed like he should (NIE report) but hey, if that had happened to Hillary we'd be reading about a staffer or two out of a job just in time for Christmas. Huckabee certainly had reason to be irritated, but I've not read of his losing it over the matter. Hillary? You bet she'd have lost it...big time.
I'll concede that Huckabee's positions on some issues concern me, but then a lot of Romney's and Rudy's positions bother me too. Even Thompson might be too friendly to the trial lawyers...though I agree with sentiment that he holds the best principles among the candidates. But Huckabee is going to draw strongly from the middle and he's going to do well with Hispanics and that's how Republicans win elections.
intrade.com:
Winner of 2008 Republican South Carolina Primary:
Giuliani: 17.0,20.0
Romney: 13.1,22.3
Thompson 15.1,24.0
Mccain 1.0,7.9
Any other individual: 45.0, 48.0
Winner of 2008 Republican Iowa Caucus:
Huckabee: 62,65
Early Primaries caucuses:
Iowa: Huck
Wyoming: ???
New Hampshire: slick Mitt has lead (Southern NH is suburb of Taxachusetts)
Michigan: slick Mitt slight lead Gui close
Nevada: ???
South Carolina: Huck
Florida: Gui (liberal New Yorkers moved there)
Maine ???
..will be interesting if Huck knocks Slick Mitt/Judy Annie out of Mich/Florida or New Hampshire...
..not sure which primaries are winner take all, and which ones are take percentage of delegates...
the factor of candidates with poor showings in early primaries dropping out is hard to predict...
The averages of several polls give a different picture:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_primaries.html
“He has run a lousy campaign. If he had rallied social conservatives behind him from the start, he’d be where Huckabee is now.”
I fully agree. Social/moral conservatives are the base of the GOP and why it has won the presidency on many occasions. You must secure the base to win. Senator Thompson did not do this. Thus, Governor Huckabee moves up to fill the void left when nobody goes after the base (except maybe Romney and his Mormonism doomed him day one). Huckabee speaks to the base like no other candidate does.
BTW - Folks here that call him names like “Huckster” or “Elmer Gantry” just make the base more convinced Huckabee is the right man. Actually the same is true of any candidate and his supporters. I used to refer to Mayor Guiliani as “Rudy the Rumpranger” until I realized it just made me look uncouth and it hurt my attempts to sway Guiliani supporters. I “grew up” and stopped it.
I am part of the social/moral base. I am currently planning on voting for Huckabee in the primary. Thompson is my second choice. Thompson has said some really great things and the man is an intellectual (in the best sense) while not coming across as a snob. That is what Thompson supporters need to push is the great things Thompson says and thinks - not childishly presented derogulatory things about Huckabee.
Honestly, if Fred would just come a little more to the right on moral issues (and stop hiding behind federalism), he could woo me to him. Actually, I think (in light of the fact we are a nation at war) my “dream” ticket would actually be Thompson/Huckabee. They would complement each other and Huckabee could learn things from Fred that would make him a suitable successor in 4 to 8 years. (I’m not sure Thompson is healthy enough for more than one term).
for a long time now, IMHO.
Huck is two points ahead of Romney in Iowa polling.
Overall, Rudy is still the clear frontrunner.
Those three are all making gains, but Huck has the mojo... for now.
Waiting for new numbers over the next few days to reflect Romney’s speech.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_primaries.html
In the last debate Judy Annie and Slick Mitt looked and sounded like immature junior highers having a spat in the hallway. Thompson, Hunter, and Huckabee were optimistic, funny, spoke articulately when facing tough questions from the corrupt news network. Whether u like him or not, it is fair to say that Huckabee is a front runner now connected with audiences in the last debate.
The Rass polls are the most recent.
Serious question here. A few days ago Fred supporters seemed happy that Huckabee was rising, the thought being he would stop Romney’s momentum.
Now that Huckabee is ranked #1, and may in fact take Iowa AND South carolina, do you think anybody will be hoping Romney takes Huckabee down, rather than the other way around?
Not “thee front runner” just “a front runner”
Southern and western governors and Vice Presidents get elected. Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush.
Senators and congresscritters and northern governors don’t. Dewey, Stevenson, Goldwater, Humphrey, McCarthy, Ford, Mondale, Dukakis, Dole, Gore, Kerry.
JFK is the sole exception to this, and his actual election is rather dubious based on results in IL and TX.
No shock that Huckabee polls well, and Thompson, Romney, Hunter, etc. don’t.
he gained his values from "sitting around the kitchen table" and said he did not plan to speak about his religious beliefs on the stump. "I know that I'm right with God and the people I love," he said, according to Bloomberg News Service. It's "just the way I am not to talk about some of these things."
I just don't think that sells to social conservatives. We know how important being part of the body of believers is, and know how easy it is for people to claim to have faith. We are not called to judge one another, but we are told that there are fruits of a right relationship with God, and one sign of that is adherance to God's command to be part of the Body of Believers, not be off on your own.
Just from a practical point of view, it weakens a Christian to not be part of a body of believers. It makes it easier to fall into temptation, to fall into false doctrine, to allow your faith to slide from practice.
Good point.
I'm sure you are among those who will "give till it hurts", as he suggests to all his faithful disciples.
I'd love to have the money back I gave that catapulted this man to where he is today..God forgive me..
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