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Talk of gaming White House mortgage plan emerges
marketwatch.com ^ | Decembe 7, 2007 | Alistair Barr

Posted on 12/07/2007 5:57:26 PM PST by jiggyboy

A day after the White House unveiled a program to salvage the mortgage market, people are already talking about how borrowers might game the system.

To qualify for the fast-track program, borrowers must have a FICO score of less than 660 and it can't have increased by more than 10% since they took out their original subprime mortgage.

Because income isn't checked, some experts worry that borrowers who might otherwise be able to afford higher payments will try to lower their FICO score to qualify for a rate freeze.

"The message here is to get your FICO score down," Mark Adelson, a structured finance expert, said. "Don't pay some bills, but keep up with mortgage payments."

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bailout; bush; credit; fico; mortgage; scams; votebuying; voterfraud; youwillpayforthis
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To: eyedigress
Keep in mind the Fed is officially trying to break legal contracts. Not an area to tread lightly.

The fed isn't breaking anything. The fed is really just giving banks cover so they can change the loans that are in the banks/fund managers best interest, without getting in trouble from their investors. The banks want this.

61 posted on 12/07/2007 7:13:14 PM PST by Always Right
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To: RockinRight

Do you really think that with our open borders we are protected against terrorism?


62 posted on 12/07/2007 7:15:05 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: nj_pilot

We’ll see how it works.

Keep in mind that not all these people committed fraud, in fact, I’d say most did not. I’ve originated loans for years and while I never did much subprime, I am in the industry and see what goes on.

Yes, fraud occurred. However, the people that fit the profile of who would get this rate freeze are mostly low-income Americans who had poor to fair credit. A good friend of mine is among them...despite the advice I gave that was ignored.


63 posted on 12/07/2007 7:15:30 PM PST by RockinRight (Rumors of Fred Thompson's death have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: B4Ranch

No, but do you really think rolling over and playing dead is going to fix it either?


64 posted on 12/07/2007 7:16:08 PM PST by RockinRight (Rumors of Fred Thompson's death have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: RockinRight

I understand Washington had talks and came to some agreement with the big guys. Laws against predator lending is one thing but an across the board bail-out disturbs me.


65 posted on 12/07/2007 7:20:27 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Always Right

Freezing rates is breaking the contract.


66 posted on 12/07/2007 7:22:21 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Yes...but so is not paying the mortgage, to be frank.


67 posted on 12/07/2007 7:23:24 PM PST by RockinRight (Rumors of Fred Thompson's death have been greatly exaggerated.)
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To: RockinRight

Exactly.


68 posted on 12/07/2007 7:24:39 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Always Right
All the government did was provide cover so these banks/fund managers can change loan terms without getting in trouble with their investors.

No, these matters are contractual between the banks and their borrowers.

69 posted on 12/07/2007 7:26:33 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: eyedigress
Freezing rates is breaking the contract.

But it is not the fed doing this. This is the banks backing off the terms of their contract voluntarily. Terms of the contract are being altered to the benefit of both parties involved. All Paulson did was meet with banks and investors to figure out the guidelines for doing this. The banks want this.

70 posted on 12/07/2007 7:27:04 PM PST by Always Right
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To: jude24
You can bet your bottom dollar that interstate commerce was involved in this housing market mess.

The interstate commerce clause is (was) essentially a non-interference provision.

I fail to see how it is applicable.

71 posted on 12/07/2007 7:28:17 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
No, these matters are contractual between the banks and their borrowers.

It is more complicated than that. Many of these loans were put in funds and sold to investors. If it was only the banks involved with the borrowers, it would have been an easy fix and Paulson would not need to have been involved.

72 posted on 12/07/2007 7:29:13 PM PST by Always Right
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To: FreedomPoster
"The real question is, How does someone sitting on cash make some money on all this?"

Rent a decent place with nice neighbors at a nice rate and invest the excess $. After the pot boils over, buy with cash. I knew a gal in Simi Valley in a 500K house that didn't look worth it at all. Another one in Santa Clarita saw her 150K condo become 400K in 3 years. And another one living with her rich relatives from Brazil in West Hills- 1M to 1.3M. They own businesses and are doing it right. You can't live in that area without means.

Just wait until the price drops and own the mortgage outright.

73 posted on 12/07/2007 7:35:18 PM PST by BobS (I><P>)
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To: Always Right

It is a money grab that should be punished based on the rules of Capitolism. Socialist bail-outs need to be left to Socialists.


74 posted on 12/07/2007 7:35:54 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Always Right
It is more complicated than that.

It is not more complicated than that.

It is a scheme to bail out the consumers, banks and investors who entered into this business to the disadvantage of those who decided not to do so.

You would be ahead not to continue to argue, I've only been in the business for 35 years, and I'm affiliated with organizations that declined to participate for now obvious reasons.

75 posted on 12/07/2007 7:38:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: eyedigress

It is being handled by capitalism. This is in both parties best interest and the government is not directly involved.


76 posted on 12/07/2007 7:39:21 PM PST by Always Right
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To: RockinRight

Well, I do agree with Paul that us having troops in 130 whatever countries is too many troops in too many countries. I also don’t think that we should be the worlds policeman, at the beck and call of the UN. Give me a chance and I would kick the UN out of the US.

“In defense of the world order...U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die,” Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. Foreign Affairs, July-August 1995

“What is at stake is more than one small country [Kuwait], it is a big idea - a new world order...” — George H.W. Bush

Maybe you like this new world order crap but I don’t.


77 posted on 12/07/2007 7:41:07 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: elkfersupper
You would be ahead not to continue to argue, I've only been in the business for 35 years, and I'm affiliated with organizations that declined to participate for now obvious reasons.

lol, ignorant arrogance

78 posted on 12/07/2007 7:43:04 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
This is in both parties best interest and the government is not directly.....

I think everything I was taught as an American is mute.

79 posted on 12/07/2007 7:43:48 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Always Right
lol, ignorant arrogance

My thoughts exactly.

80 posted on 12/07/2007 7:45:00 PM PST by elkfersupper
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