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1 posted on 12/07/2007 10:07:38 PM PST by gpapa
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One of Bush REAL failures was in not fumigating the CIA, State Dept., and Dept of Justice of all the Clinton moles.


2 posted on 12/07/2007 10:10:11 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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Bush has been under full scale assault from the CIA and Stateless Department from day one. In hindisght, Bush should have fired them all (ala Clinton).


3 posted on 12/07/2007 10:11:54 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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i thought this would be iran back in september. guess not.

"Before and after the Israeli strike. A nice clean-up job by the Syrians."
-idf strike in syria-
5 posted on 12/07/2007 10:14:11 PM PST by robomatik
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Stupid article. First this stupid NIE hack job did not change the policy of President Bush toward Iran. The President went out of his way in the last three days to tell the world and the terrorist regime in Iran that nothing has changed regarding the US policy toward Iran nuclear program, they are going to be stopped from enriching uranium which is the most important element to make nukes. The President is saying now what he has been saying for the last two years on this issue.


6 posted on 12/07/2007 10:16:23 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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There’s a girl in charge of the State Dept. It just doesn’t work.


11 posted on 12/07/2007 10:35:27 PM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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Hard to believe that you can invade a country but can’t fire your own intelligence people for messing up. How many UN resolutions does it take to get rid of these people?


12 posted on 12/07/2007 10:40:09 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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When you have renegades in the CIA and the State Department, you are at their mercy. They should be cleaned out immediately, by way of the courts, being tried for treason.


13 posted on 12/07/2007 10:43:31 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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What's amazing in this case is how the White House has allowed intelligence analysts to drive policy. What's amazing is how the White House has driven policy a priori of any data, even going to the lengths of manipulating or fabricating intelligence as necessary along the way (see Office of Special Plans) to support it.
14 posted on 12/07/2007 10:50:33 PM PST by Deathmonger
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I noticed news in the past week coming out of Europe that liberal nations such as France are stepping up sanctions against Iran, not reducing them.

Sounds like Bush is winning, and the MSM is spinning it as a loss...

15 posted on 12/07/2007 10:51:16 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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Excellent


16 posted on 12/07/2007 11:06:15 PM PST by Eagles6
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And just how do the folks at WSJ figure that the President is at fault? Did he go over and interview everyone involved and write up the two conflicting reports? Maybe the editorial writers ought to look into why the two reports, two years apart can be so different.


17 posted on 12/07/2007 11:10:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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Is this NIE the same group that gathered the Korean intelligence prior to the Bush Administration looking into it....a little further?

Let's be real. Iran is led by a nut...a nut who held Hostages...way back when.

23 posted on 12/08/2007 12:59:17 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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Have we struck a deal with the devil?
by Hal Lindsey

The partisan furor erupting over the selective release of two pages from this year's National Intelligence Estimate report aside, it raises a lot more questions than it answers.

The first question that comes to mind is why? The White House is allegedly "incensed" that those particular pages were declassified and released, and it might even be true.

Or it might not.<.P Let's look at both arguments. Leaking the NIE report handed all the cards over to Iran, seemingly emasculating the administration's entire Iran foreign policy. The National Intelligence Estimate is highly classified information – for any of the 16 intelligence agencies to leak it is tantamount to treason.

For it to be freely released to the public seems inexplicable.

For four years, the Bush administration has been building a case against Iran's nuclear program. Two years ago, the NIE reported "with high confidence" Iran was moving full steam ahead with a nuclear weapons program. It estimated Iran was only a matter of a few years, if not months, before it would pass the nuclear point of no return.

The leaked portion of this year's NIE says the consensus opinion of the nation's intelligence community is that Iran suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. However, while it has "high confidence" the program was suspended in 2003, it also concluded with "medium to high confidence" that Iran is keeping its nuclear weapons development options open.

The left immediately seized on the revised NIE assessment to attack the president's credibility, drawing the inevitable connections between the failed Iraq intel in 2003 and the NIE's abrupt turnaround in 2007.

Notwithstanding the fact that the NIE's assessment is what the president was relying on in the first place (making attacks on his personal credibility ludicrous), the partisan opportunism in Washington virtually hands Tehran a blank check from henceforth.

There is no way short of a Iranian nuclear test that Bush will be able to rebuild domestic or international support for additional sanctions (or especially military strikes) against Iran in months remaining in his presidency.

For all intents and purposes, the U.S. lost the war against Iran's nuclear program 10 seconds after the NIE summary hit the front page of the New York Times. There is no point in wasting ammunition.

So in this view, the NIE leak was very, very bad news for the administration and worse news for Israel, in that it seems to inoculate Tehran against further Western interference in its domestic nuclear program.

On the other hand, it seems illogical for the White House to be taking its release so calmly. It undid four long years of U.S. foreign policy in an instant. To leak it would be tantamount to treason. Deliberately declassifying it suggests government incompetence that has reached dizzying new heights – a possibility I don't lightly discount.

But it is the Bush administration's National Intelligence Estimate. Declassifying secret intelligence summaries is a White House prerogative. And its release did torpedo U.S./Iran foreign policy.

So what is it doing on the front page?

There is but one alternative explanation. Either some kind of a U.S. deal with Iran has already been struck, or one is so close that maintaining the coalition is no longer deemed necessary.

What kind of deal? Virtually any kind of deal with Iran is in Washington's interests. Until the fall of the shah, Iran was America's chief ally in the Middle East. American geopolitical strategy is always aimed at preventing the rise of a regional or continental power bloc that can threaten the U.S. or Europe.

In the Islamic Middle East, Sunni outnumber Shia many times over. Iran is predominately Shia. Arabs outnumber Persians in similar numbers. Arabs and Persians have historical animosities stretching back millennia to days of Xerxes and the Persian Empire. In terms of U.S. geopolitical strategy, Iran is the spoiler.

As a consequence of U.S. long-term strategy and Persia's unique circumstances, America and Iran are natural allies. And an alliance with Tehran would go a long way toward containing Hugo Chavez while keeping Venezuela's oil pipelines open.

Iran's current relationship with Russia is forced and unnatural. The last nation to occupy Iran was Russia, and the Persians have a long memory and an outstanding score to settle.

Iran's youthful majority doesn't trust the Americans, but they don't like the Russians, either. Given the choice between the two cultures, however, all the polls indicate they'd dump the Kremlin in a heartbeat.

Something is clearly about to break, and the NIE is but one indication among many.

The Saudis have recently done an about-face and concluded, over U.S. objections, a major arms deal with the Russians. The Saudis are Shia, Iran's natural and religious enemies, and the Saudis also fear being dumped by Washington in favor of a deal with Iran.

The Arabs tend to get worried whenever the Americans or the Iranians rattle sabers in their direction. The prospect of a deal between Iran and the United States is enough to send them scurrying for their prayer mats. Clearly, a deal between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran seems absurd on its face, and maybe it is. But no less absurd than the prospect that the White House has deliberately sabotaged its own foreign policy agenda during the final months of the Bush presidency. Whether there is a deal in the works or whether the Bush administration has surpassed its own high standard for intelligence-processing incompetence remains to be seen.

But there is more here than meets the eye, and you can bet that they are burning the midnight oil in Riyadh, Moscow and, especially, Jerusalem, trying to figure out what. Meanwhile, keep an eye on what the prophet Ezekiel predicted about this region. It is more illuminating than the New York Times, or any other media right now.

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27 posted on 12/08/2007 1:50:55 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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In sum, Mr. Bush and his staff have allowed the intelligence bureaucracy to frame a new judgment in a way that has undermined four years of U.S. effort to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions.

It wasn't the intelligence bureaucracy but three former State Dept. officials with an ax to grind. One may as well say that a robbery victim was, by having something someone wanted to rob, responsible for his robbery.
30 posted on 12/08/2007 2:47:19 AM PST by aruanan
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Condie Rice was supposed to clean out the State Department bureaucracy but she ended up being swallowed up by it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

38 posted on 12/08/2007 5:23:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Okay, all you guys on here who insist in inserting “It’s Bush’s fault” in just about every bad news post - it has now been made official by the venerated Wall St. Journal, no less.

Someone ought to compile a list of all his faults to date.


58 posted on 12/08/2007 9:02:59 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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I would expect the editors of the N.Y. Slimes to call him Mr. Bush not the editors of the Wall Street Journal.
77 posted on 12/08/2007 3:35:51 PM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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What's amazing in this case is how the White House has allowed intelligence analysts to drive policy.

The WH has not allowed intell analysts to drive policy. The Intell community has had a policy of its own for over 40 years, i.e., to cynically prop up thugocracies and dictatorships, because democracies are too difficualt to predict and too "messy." Hence, the desire by many in the the intell community to sabotage the Bush Doctrine of spreading democracy in the Mid East. This sabotage and the incompetence or indifference of people like Bremer, Sanchez, Abazaid, and Rumsfeld brought us the insurgency in Iraq that has killed over 3,000 of our fellow citizens.
85 posted on 12/08/2007 7:23:52 PM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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