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Signs hint 'Compass' may miss blockbuster territory (heh heh heh)
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 7, 2007 | Josh Friedman

Posted on 12/08/2007 6:17:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

No one in Hollywood quite knows where "The Golden Compass" is pointing, though it appears to be south of blockbuster status.

...Unlike "Narnia" or the "Rings" and "Potter" movies, most of which hauled in more than $60 million in their first three days, "Compass" may open in the $30-million neighborhood, or worse, according to market analysts.

[Yet] it's unlikely to spell financial catastrophe for New Line.

The studio admits to a production price of $180 million, though some industry insiders believe the true cost soared past $200 million...

Even so, the film was cofinanced by Royal Bank of Scotland, and British tax incentives and presales of foreign distribution rights covered about two-thirds of the production cost, New Line says. The deals may limit New Line's risk, but also cap its upside: Fantasy films usually take in the majority of their ticket sales abroad, and "The Golden Compass" is off to a jolly good start in Britain, where it opened Wednesday.

If the film becomes a hit, the studio will launch two sequels based on Pullman's series. That remains a big "if" ...New Line says it will wait to see how "Compass" performs before deciding on the follow-ups.

Reviewers have been dazzled by the effects, but many are underwhelmed by the story. The review compendium website MetaCritic.com listed 50% of notices as positive, while rival RottenTomatoes.com reported 47% were bullish.

Another headache for New Line is the ire Pullman's books have whipped up among some religious groups.

But the ruckus may actually end up boosting the movie, said Karen Covell, director of the Hollywood Prayer Network. "The more riled up everybody becomes, the more publicity the movie gets," she said. "It just ends up helping at the box office."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; boxoffice; bungled; goldencompass; hollywood; moviereview; pullman
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To: kinoxi

The author of the novel is noted by some as being anti-Christian. The novel is the first in a trilogy referred to as His Dark Materials. So I expect that if this movie does well enough, there will be at least two more to follow.


21 posted on 12/08/2007 6:32:23 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Rudder; kinoxi
Pretty good overview here by Albert Mohler.

Bottom line:
"Pullman has left little doubt about his books' intended thrust in discussions of his work, noting in a 2003 interview that 'my books are about killing God" and in a 2001 interview that he was "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Source:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

22 posted on 12/08/2007 6:32:53 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: topher
I forgot to turn that HTML tag [sarcasm on] for:

This was a LOW BUDGET FILM to attack Christians -- $140 million.

[sarcasm off]

This was one of the really HIGH DOLLAR FILMS of 2007.

23 posted on 12/08/2007 6:33:04 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Got it.


24 posted on 12/08/2007 6:33:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: topher
Do you fear that this movie will become a cult? Most sci-fi books and productions can be classified as anti-Christian or atheist. It’s called entertainment. Some call it free speech. The producers of this movie, which apparently isn’t that good, call your reaction advertisement.
25 posted on 12/08/2007 6:35:50 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Mrs. Don-o

hope it’s a huge flop!


26 posted on 12/08/2007 6:36:56 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Rudder

“What’s the big deal with the animosity toward this movie? Some people seem to hate it-—why?”

Here is a link to the BLOG of Dr. Albert Mohler, the President of Southern Baptist Seminary. He does a good job explaining the problem. However, it isn’t a short read. If you really want to understand, you will have to read the whole article:

http://www.almohler.org/blog_read.php?id=1065


27 posted on 12/08/2007 6:38:08 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Rudder
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and children who don't know any better...
28 posted on 12/08/2007 6:38:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Rudder; kinoxi

I survived a car crash a few years ago but I sure wouldn’t want to subject myself to it again.

How about this:

From another article: “The entire premise of the trilogy is that Lyra is the child foretold by prophecy who will reverse the curse of the Fall and free humanity from the lie of original sin. Whereas in Christian theology it is Jesus Christ who reverses the curse through His work of atonement on the Cross, Pullman presents his own theology of sorts in which the Fall is reversed through the defiance of these children. As Pullman insists, Eve and Adam were right to eat the forbidden fruit and God was a tyrant to forbid them the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.”

In The Golden Compass, Lyra and her companions free the children held at this experimental station in the North and destroy it. In The Amber Spyglass, Lyra and Will reverse the story of the Edenic Fall by consummating a sexual act in the garden.

Again, Pullman is not subtle. Keep in mind that this is a series of books marketed to children and adolescents. Lyra puts a red fruit to Will’s lips and Will “knew at once what she meant, and that he was too joyful to speak.” Within moments, the 13-year olds are involved in some kind of unspecified sexual act.

“The word love set his nerves ablaze,” Pullman writes of Will. “All his body thrilled with it, and he answered her in the same words, kissing her hot face over and over again, drinking in with adoration the scent of her body and her warm, honey-fragrant hair and her sweet, moist mouth that tasted of the little red fruit.”

I mean, why would any Christian want to see this movie at all?


29 posted on 12/08/2007 6:41:37 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Atheist groups complained that the books Anti Christian theme was watered down."

So it is a religious movie for atheist. Most movies out today seem to be like that. It's rare when a true Christian movie comes out like The Gospel of John, or The Passion of Christ.

Atheists wanting to kill something they don't believe in is very ironic of them. I guess they failed logic 101.

30 posted on 12/08/2007 6:42:14 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: new cruelty

How can a book/movie that is explicitly fantastic(fantasy) be simultaneously against reality and taken seriously?


31 posted on 12/08/2007 6:43:31 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
I do not have a problem with Matrix, for example. It has a very interesting concept that it is based on.

But some things are harmful. For example, the movie The Exorcist is based on a true story. Because of a bad influence, a boy in the suburbs of Washington, DC was diabolically possessed by the devil. The novel/movie is based on that true event. The author changed it from a boy in the Maryland suburbs of DC to a girl in Washington, DC.

HARM CAN HAPPEN TO CHILDREN BECAUSE OF MOVIES

But witchcraft is real. And it is my personal belief that people have sold their soul to the devil.

In fact, the Roman Catholic Church requires two miracles for that exact reason. Someone sold their soul to the devil, and it fouled many people into believing the person was endowed with special graces from God.

CS Lewis in the Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe show some Christian theology, as an example.

The Star Wars movie are based on Eastern Religions, as an exmple.

The original Star Trek TV Series dealt with some very interesting topics for the times. One episode dealt with Sun Worshippers. But in this episode, it turned out that the Sun Worshippers were actually worshipping the Son of God -- the Christ.

32 posted on 12/08/2007 6:44:28 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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But the ruckus may actually end up boosting the movie, said Karen Covell.

I'm not so sure about that. These days for many, a family trip to the theater is a $100+ affair. That makes it much easier for negative vibes to kill a release. Who wants to spend that kind of money and time to come away disappointed?

33 posted on 12/08/2007 6:46:04 PM PST by zacharycole
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To: I still care
I mean, why would any Christian want to see this movie at all?

Not me. In fact, the only time I ever encountered anything about it was right here on FR.

34 posted on 12/08/2007 6:47:06 PM PST by Rudder
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To: kinoxi
Swing and a miss. Most Sci Fi and Fantasy are about imagination. This isn’t. The author has stated the intent of the books is to attack Christianity. If you google THE GOLDEN COMPASS or read the threads here, you will get a better understanding. So you don’t get a pass on that. Most of the posts have explained that to you.
This isn’t entertainment, it’s anti Christian anti religion indoctrination.
There are many sci fi fans here that liked LOTR, Star Wars, Star Trek etc. that can peg this for the POS it is.

If you want to produce an anti Christian hate movie, fine. If you hate Christianity and God, that’s up to you. That is free speech. But to hide it in the guise of ‘it’s just a fantasy movie’ is something else again.

35 posted on 12/08/2007 6:47:22 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think the public is tired of medieval-style epic fantasy. It certainly looked boring in the commercials.

I wonder if Hollywood will ever get the message that we liked Lord of the Rings not because of the setting and speech patterns, but because of solid storytelling and interesting character development.


36 posted on 12/08/2007 6:48:19 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: american_ranger
You don't surf FreeRepublic much, do you? 2. This movie was written by an anti-Christian author who has sworn to destroy Christianity.

I don't frequent these forums too much. Typing hurts my toes. If you feel that this writer is a threat to your religion I might suggest a personal Faith checkup. HE is always available from what I understand.
37 posted on 12/08/2007 6:48:22 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

The author is a meanie.


38 posted on 12/08/2007 6:49:30 PM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: kinoxi
Why not write a book and make movies about doing very hateful/Satanic things -- how to capture and torture people, how to enslave people by taking them (kidnapping them) to a country where they do not speak the language, and enslave them?

Is there a problem with such books/movies?

What about books/movies that influence African-Americans to hate whites and other Americans?

Is putting a NOOSE on a tree FREEDEOM OF SPEECH, or trying to blackmail/intimidate people?

There are ways to deal with such subjects, but evil must be shown as evil...

We started in the 1950s and 1960s to spin good into bad and bad into good. For example -- sex before marriage was considered to be a good thing by these standards.

Being a bad ass was considered the ideal behavior in high school.

Where do incidents like Columbine come from?

Mall Shootings?

Do you think the occult has no harm?

39 posted on 12/08/2007 6:50:08 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I see.... I see... Three images... the images of a giant turkey, an outhouse, and an empty bag of popcorn having been thrown at the screen.

What can these mysterious icons tell me?


40 posted on 12/08/2007 6:52:05 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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