Four People Shot Outside Colorado Springs New Life Church

Fox News ^ | 09 DEC 07 | Fox News

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[Abigail Adams]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/shooter.youth/index.html

Looks like the problem was that he heard voices, and played some dark rock music in a concert at the mission. Sounds like some kind of mental illness.

[Quix]

Understand.

[RDTF]

oh good - I heard that interview with Richard Werner - glad there is a link now

[RDTF]

awesome

[Aliska]

Thank you. I think you to be a reasonable person. And I think I’m oversaturated with bad news, but then I didn’t have to follow it, don’t always, kind of closed in by winter or I’d get out more, guess we all want answers.

[nicmarlo]

Phil Abeyta, who identified himself as Murray's uncle, read a statement from the family Monday asking for forgiveness.

"Our family cannot express the magnitude of our grief for the victims and families of this tragedy," he said. " ... We cannot understand why this has happened."

Abeyta spoke at a news conference with spokesmen from the Youth With A Mission center.

This was in the article, too. I feel badly for the family, all the families.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

That thread was posted to be preventative.

To call and challenge parents to be good parents.

[GoLightly]

I figured he musta looked out of his window in time to catch a glimpse of the black helicopters hovering low over his house.

[NRA2BFree]

How do you know?? Did the story say that?

Second Paragraph down talks about his deeply religious family.

[the808bass]

Another person posted recently that YWAM goes the extra mile with folks and it would have taken alot for them to have asked him to leave.

I'll buy that. Overall, a wonderful organization and a credit to Christianity.

[LibertyRocks]

Yep, I think so too... She must have had a “hedge of protection” around her... I don’t believe in “luck” or “coincidences” either. ;)

[GoLightly]

pssst he’s in jail right now....ooops that’s Keifer

I don't keep up with Hollywood chit chat & hadn't heard that. Lemme guess, rehab candidate.

[the808bass]

However if you look at events on a scale of 1 to 1,000,000, you could probably say that God chose to intervene in less than .00001 of those cases.

Thanks to the Englightenment, we have defined miracles as things unexplainable by scientific means. I do not. God is active and at work in everything, everywhere (not that He wills everything, but His hand is in everything).

As for the rest of your comments, I completely agree. God wants us to be people of action, not passive autobots.

[NRA2BFree]

I would put money on Matthew using SSRIs

I'm not sure what SSRI's are?

[the808bass]

SSRI's

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors. Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, etc.

[NRA2BFree]

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors. Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, etc.

Thanks!

I recently read something that said antidepressents can cause people to commit suicide. Unfortunately, this wacko took people with him who didn't deserve to die.

[LibertyRocks]

Thank you. {{HUGS}} I too grew up in an abusive home, and my sister and I are radically different (exact opposites really) in the way we have dealt with our past and the way we view the world, and how we treat others... Unfortunately, I don’t think she’ll ever “get it”...

May G-d bless you as well, and may He give you strength and comfort as you deal with your brother and his problems. Prayers for him as well. :)

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

YOu’re welcome - first time back to this thread since that post. A LOT has come out since then about these incidents but still a lot needs to be discovered, uncovered, relayed to the public.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

You’re welcome - finally back to this thread to catch up on all the latest info. Heard bits and pieces all day but here is where I know the best facts will be found.