Posted on 12/10/2007 10:58:54 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- A Colorado Springs megachurch instituted security precautions after a shooting at a Denver area mission center earlier Sunday, saving "hundreds of lives" at the New Life Church, senior Pastor Brady Boyd said Monday.
A New Life parishioner acting as a security guard shot and killed a gunman who entered the church Sunday afternoon after he had gotten no more than 50 feet inside the building, Boyd said.
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Boyd said the female security guard was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church.
"She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon.
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"Hundreds of lives were saved yesterday because of the plan that was put in place," said Boyd, who put the number of people on the church campus at the time as 7,000.
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Interestingly and perhaps coincidentally, one of the two sisters who was killed recently returned from a "church-sponsored" missions trip.
Perhaps this isn't as random as it appears.
I don't know what you routinely carry, but my usual CC load when I'm carrying a .45 M1911 or Commander is four mags and one up the spout. One of the mags is in the gun, two in a double mag carrier, and the last one is an eight-rounder carried in a modified ankle rig. In all, I've got 30 rounds available for the ball, a few more than that if/once I get to my vehicle.
More needed, you think, or about right?
I probably have met the woman who is the hero here. We also have several female instructors.
Students are taught when and how to confront an armed perpetrator.
The people that work security at the malls near my home shouldn't be allowed to carry a pocket knife - nevermind a gun.
Trained, qualified guards - yes.
But, these untrained idiots with a walkie talkie and a clipboard - NO!
[Luke Skyfreeper] SHE WAS NOT "HIRED." SHE WAS A VOLUNTEER, A CIVILIAN MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
Thanks for pointing this out, Luke Skyfreeper, but there's another point I'd like to make.
Even if she had been hired, her act was heroic; some jobs, of their very nature, require heroism at times, and being a security guard is one of those jobs, along with many jobs in law enforcement and in the military.
Thank God for those among us who are willing to run toward the bullets, whether they're on the payroll at the time or not.
It is widely considered bad form to post the name & address (and phone number and other contact/private info) of people who are not actually directly associated with a very good reason to do so.
The perp’s name is widely known now.
His father, having nothing to do with the attack, should not be subject to harassment by people who will call/email/mail/visit him based on an enraged whim.
The info is out there, very easy to find, if someone wants it. Let’s not make it trival, provided to the general rabble on a silver platter.
FWIW: I had a comparable post pulled once. In an argument over privacy, my verbal opponent pulled the “why be secret if you have nothing to hide”; I responded by posting his real name, address, phone, map, car type, vehicle history, etc. ... and when he was outraged and my post was pulled, I pointed at it as a prime example of the flaw in the “do you have something to hide?” rhetoric.
Upshot: the perp’s father is not the perp. Leave him alone, and that starts with not publishing his private info.
I meant that too. Not saying the guards have any fault, which they don’t, but that it must be hell to have to just watch.
I think FR plays it safe wrt posting of addresses. Even though they may have been posted elsewhere and/or easily available via directories, having them posted in a context that could be construed as encouraging people to act on the information poses some liability risk.
The perp's address is all over the internet, so what I will do to comply with FR rules is to redo my post, with the address replaced with a link to another website listing the address. Here goes.
Anyone want to search facebook, myspace, etc, to see if the perp has anything out there? If so, it's likely to be deleted really fast (if not already done).
More info here, previously uncovered by other Freepers on another thread
You’ll be gettin’ all the other wimin round here actin’ all uppity and all.
:)
That’s over the line.
Two 14-round mags for my S&W .40 cal. I figure if I need more than 28 shots, I need backup.
Colonel, USAFR
..or more range time!
Colonel, USAFR
From everything I've read, this wasn't because they were chicken.
They were following doctrine, which reguired not directly confronting the gunmen. They thought they were facing a hostage situation, not a massacre.
Doctrine has since been changed, but it really isn't fair to blame the Columbine cops for doing what they had been taught was right, and that had frankly worked pretty well up to then.
Anymore than it is right to blame the passengers on the planes that hit the WTC for not fighting back. They were following doctrine, too. The heroes on Flight 93 had the advantage of having the time to find out that doctrine didn't work anymore and devising an alternate one.
It's the one's who go "...above and beyond the call of duty" who may rightly be called heroes (especially where the work carries personal risk).
I consider Audie Murphy a hero because he did more than would normally be expected. The security guard at the church is also a hero. People working at churches do not normally expect to get into gun battles. That was the situation she found herself in while she performed her duty. And she stepped up to the plate and went "...above and beyond the call of duty", IMO.
That security guard provided and excellent example of how good gun control benefits society
What next? CNN debate where 90% of “uncommitted republicans” are NOT Hillary plants?
Luckily, this wasn’t a gun-free zone.
I would agree, BUT APPARENTLY this woman was a regular parishioner who essentially seemed to “volunteer” for this “job”. Only hours after the “concern” arose. I don’t think she qualifies as a regular-old “security guard”.
It’s supposed to be sarcasm. Hence the smiley face.
I remember from one of the newscasts following the mall shooting, that they were worried about copycat killers or people being inspired by the mall shooter and going on a rampage of their own. Possibility this was inspired by the mall shooter?
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