Colorado gunman scared co-workers 5 years ago, one says

CNN ^ | 10DEC07 | CNN

[familyop]

Matthew Murray was kicked out of a missionary training program five years ago for strange behavior...Murray performed a pair of dark rock songs at a concert at the mission that made fellow workers "pretty scared,"...which included a song by rock band Linkin Park...Werner, of Balneario Camborius, Brazil, said he had a bunk near Murray's and that Murray would roll around in bed and make noises. "He would say, 'Don't worry, I'm just talking to the voices,' " Werner said. "He'd say, 'Don't worry, Richard. You're a nice guy. The voices like you.' "

[familyop]

You were right..."just" "nuts" ping!

[dschapin]

Bizzarre - sounds like this guy was into even weirder stuff than we imagined.

[Free Vulcan]

“The voices like you.”

Ooo man that gives me shivers.

[familyop]

"Bizzarre - sounds like this guy was into even weirder stuff than we imagined."

Yep--boy bands like Linkin Park, for one. ...downright satanic. We need to bring back stuff like Nirvana. ;-)

[stinkerpot65]

Typical liberal.

[Clemenza]

Well, at least we know that Mitchand Murray didn’t like Coldplay...

[Kurt Evans]

To some of us who believe what the Bible says about demons, those who don’t believe it seem naive. It’s obvious to me that shootings like these are being coordinated by lower powers.

[Strategerist]

To some of us who believe what the Bible says about demons, those who don’t believe it seem naive.

I don't think being aware of the disease of paranoid schizophrenia (which sounds like a distinct possibility in this case), caused by a brain chemical imbalance, is "naive."

[org.whodat]

This nut’s father was a DR. Why did he not get the boy help???

[Youngblood]

To some of us who believe what the Bible says about demons, those who don’t believe it seem naive. It’s obvious to me that shootings like these are being coordinated by lower powers.

You're calling us naive?!!

[Kurt Evans]

For the record, I attended a YWAM missionary training school in 1995. The autonomy of the individual bases results in a fairly wide range of theological emphases, but it’s basically a solid organization.

[donna]

paranoid schizophrenia

How is that diagnosed?

[PAR35]

I’ve noticed that the home school crowd has been fairly quiet on these threads.

[P8riot]

You're calling us naive?!!

Careful, your presupposition is showing.

[singfreedom]

This guy was obviously a schizoid nutter. His physician father should have specialized in schizophrenia, instead of a breathing disorder.

I’m getting really tired of mental defectives attacking innocent, good, people as they go about their daily lives.

[familyop]

Last I knew (long, long ago, and only from gen. psych.), those were two separate and different diagnoses. ...voices. That could be schizophrenia, but then there aren’t five or so of me for comprising a whole board...yet! ;-)

[RDTF]

replaying this interview right now on CNN

[DocRock]

bttt

[familyop]

"I’ve noticed that the home school crowd has been fairly quiet on these threads."

Homeschooling is often good. Various people do it for various reasons.

[Kurt Evans]

“You’re calling us naive?!!”

Not exactly, but I’m definitely tired of seeing cases of obvious spiritual oppression attributed to “chemical imbalances in the brain”...

[dschapin]

I don’t know about that. I was homeschooled and commented on the previous thread about how I thought this guy might be an extreme case of the homeschool rebel that had turned his back on Christianity and everything that his parents believed. However, it sounds like he had much worse problems than simple rebellion and bitterness.

[twntaipan]

Because this has nothing to do with home schooling. The guy was 24 years old. How is home schooling pertinent (other than as a liberal “narrative”)?

[VOA]

You were right..."just" "nuts" ping!

Reminds me of one of my favorite "Far Side" cartoons.
In which the viewer is able to see over the psychiatrist's
shoulder as he writes his notes...and the patient on the couch is
happily yakking away.

Scrawled in large, expressive handwriting, one can see the shrink's assessment:

JUST PLAIN NUTS!!!!

[r9etb]

I can’t wait for the militant homeschoolers to claim this one....

[Alex Murphy]

Ping for later

[Youngblood]

“Spiritual oppression”? Who oppressed his spirit?

The guy was a psychotic sociopath. You don’t need higher or lower powers to explain it.

[r9etb]

How is home schooling pertinent (other than as a liberal “narrative”)?

It's potentially pertinent if the "why and how" of the homeschooling decision has anything to do with how he turned out. I'm guessing that his parents (described as very, very religious) made the homeschooling decision out of fear of what "the world" would do to their boy. If he was unstable to begin with, and they pushed him too hard and over the edge, "homeschooling" may well be a factor.

[null and void]

You’re just jealous because the voices are talking to me...

[lightman]

I thought this guy might be an extreme case of the homeschool rebel that had turned his back on Christianity and everything that his parents believed. However, it sounds like he had much worse problems than simple rebellion and bitterness.

The ultimate rebellion is to cast one's lot with the ultimate Rebel, the one who taught rebellion to Adam and Eve...

[null and void]

The voices don't like you...

[Aaron0617]

any article say where he got his guns or the grenades from? just curious.

[Thud]

My information is that the perp had exhibited dangerous/threatening behavior for years but a relatively wealthy and well-connected family had kept it from being handled officially. This is very, very similar to an incident earlier in Colorado which you might have heard of, called the "Columbine High School Massacre".

There a group of well-connected bullies terrorized other students with impunity, due to spineless police, local government and school authorities, until two of their victims snapped.

Something definitely stinks in Colorado. It looks more and more like place not to raise a family.

[rejoicing]

Oh, please! Every time a homeschooler is involved in a crime, the MSM touts it like crazy. How often do you see news coverage which says, “This criminal was a public school student.” Sheesh! There are families who are crazy who homeschool for the wrong reasons. Please don’t paint us all with the same brush.

[Kurt Evans]

“Null and void” wrote: “The voices don’t like you...”

I’m well aware of that. They’ll pretend when it suits their purposes, but in reality they don’t like any of us.

[Thud]

My son has a t-shirt which says:

"yoU're juSt jeAlouS tHe vOicEs tAlk To mE"

[dschapin]

Agreed - its just beyond what I was initially thinking.

[dschapin]

This guy graduated from home schooling over six years previously. He is soley responsible for his actions now. The homeschooling connection is really only relevant in that people who come from conservative christian families and then rebel often times end up the worst of the lot. Kind of like Stalin who trained to become a priest before he rebelled and became a militant communist atheist.

[Kurt Evans]

“Youngblood” wrote: “’Spiritual oppression’? Who oppressed his spirit?”

Fallen angels, also known as evil spirits or demons.

[Domangart]

Don’t go there. There is enough true evil in this world. Not everyone has a perfect body that works forever. We start ending it in the first nine months. Once, if we are born we might not make it out of the NICU.

[null and void]

Having people who are on to them definitely DOESN'T suit their purposes...

[twntaipan]

That’s reaching. He was 24.

It’s like blaming OJ Simpson on his high school education. Doesn’t relate.

The liberal MSM will do whatever it can to explain away why this guy shot to death four people in their teens or 20s.

[Kurt Evans]

“Null and void” wrote: “Having people who are on to them definitely DOESN’T suit their purposes...”

Exactly. That’s why I’m exposing them.

[dr_lew]

The guy was a psychotic sociopath. You don’t need higher or lower powers to explain it.

You know the one about the patient who tells his psychiatrist,
"Doctor, you have to help me. I can't shake this feeling of nameless dread."
The doctor replies, "Oh, don't worry about that. We have a name for everything!"

[Ciexyz]

I don't want to know this guy's name. I'm going to refer to him (and other serial shooters like him) as "the perp", not by his name.

[balch3]

demonic possession.

[Youngblood]

Vacuous nonsense as far as I’m concerned. But if it makes you happy and allows you to sleep better at night to believe in that, good for you.

[familyop]

"any article say where he got his guns or the grenades from? just curious."

I read in another article that he only had smoke devices and firearms. As for the firearms, who knows? Russian firearms manufacturers, for example, will sell firearms to anyone in any place.

[familyop]

I used the word, “satanic” while joking about music earlier in the thread. I don’t really believe that any angel has a will of his own, but I am an otherwise sincere Monotheist believer.

What happened is a terrible tragedy in the spiritual sense. Many of us, though, try to find an explanation for it, because we are terrified of suffering and death (inevitabilities of life).

[Luke Skyfreeper]

It’s still disturbing to me that ANY person who was homeschooled in an apparently loving environment could turn out like this.

I mean, it sounds like the guy was Just Plain Nuts, and could very well have been one of those people who go off and do this kind of crap no matter what their education or family was like. But still I would like to believe that home schooling in a good family environment would prevent this kind of thing.

Of course, we do have more than one set of friends where the parents are really good, solid, reasonable people, and they have kids who’ve not turned out so well, who’ve made big mistakes in life by not following their parents’ examples. And I think if you asked the kids they would probably say now, “Yeah, I should’ve listened to my parents.”

And it’s true that his home schooling must have ended more than 6 years ago, which is quite a while... shortly before 9/11. A lot has happened since then. I know a lot sure has happened in my own life.

It’s still really disappointing to see ANY formerly home schooled kid turn out like this. I guess I won’t be quite so quick to blame the public schools for the next mass shooter...