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Peter Pan Nation
Campus Report ^ | December 12, 2007 | Malcolm Kline

Posted on 12/11/2007 7:03:56 AM PST by bs9021

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To: Tax-chick

OK, now you’re going to hae to tell me what an Anarthrous professional signifier is.


21 posted on 12/11/2007 8:01:41 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." -Saint (Bishop) John Chrysostom, 4th c. AD)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And all of a sudden, the US started diminishing the church, weakening our schools, coddling our under-achievers, embracing feminism, raising children the Dr Spock way, initiating a sexual revolution, and normalizing all kinds of anti-social behavior.

We are not the country we used to be. Militarily, we are still the tops. But in so many ways, we are a weakened, and broken nation. It's almost like their was a plan to bring us down from our position of awesome strength.

This is when the unobstructed expansion of the federal bureaucracy began. With the war out of the way, Washington turned it's attention to the domestic issues, armed with it's new found power to regulate anything they could "find" that "substantially affects interstate commerce". We've been infantilized by the nanny state bureaucracy of the New Deal.

22 posted on 12/11/2007 8:12:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MrB
the left despises the idea of making judgements

I disagree. You are, no doubt, correct in theory. In practice the Left is highly judgmental.

It's just that their judgment somehow invariably winds up finding that their own society is the fount of all evil in the world. The neat thing, for them, is that the very act of denunciation of their own society sets them apart from that society and so therefore they are not included in the denunciation.

True Leftists aren't really much interested in any of the "causes" they champion: women, workers, the environment, indigenous peoples, endangered species, people of color, etc.. Except to the extent these causes function as a convenient club for attacking western society.

For instance, African-American studies (or African history, for that matter) is actually no such thing. It is the study of the oppression of Africans and African-Americans by whitey. They have very little interest in any other aspects of the history of these peoples.

IMHO, you will never understand Leftism until you fully comprehend that feminism, multi-culturalism, Marxism, environmentalism, and all the other multifarious fellow traveling causes have very little to do with creating their antagonism towards our society. The antagonism came first and is central. The cause to which the antagonism is attached is primarily a rationalization for the antagonism, and is thus easily dropped for another rationalization without breaking stride whenever that is convenient.

23 posted on 12/11/2007 8:15:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Anarthrous professional signifier” is a noun identifying a profession, preceded by an adjective modifying the noun, but lacking an article. “Gifted writer” Diana West. The construction was made famous by Dan Brown, of “DaVinci Code” fame, and it’s a running joke between Clyde Asbury and me.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001628.html


24 posted on 12/11/2007 8:16:06 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: bs9021

Naaannnnnnnnnnnyyyyy, Naaaaannnnnnyyyyy, Naaaaaannnnnnyyyyy Naaaaattttiiiiooooonnnnn. Nanny Nation USA.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 8:17:33 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: Sherman Logan

When you have time, read the links, listen to the heritage foundation speech and get back to me.

IMO, Sayet is right on the money.

What you’re seeing as “judgement” of our society stems from their refusal to judge other cultures as inferior.

I say this because of another facet of liberalism - the rejection of an objective truth (from the Creator), which stems from the same desire to have no objective judgements on their choices or behaviors.


26 posted on 12/11/2007 8:20:10 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Sherman Logan

I re-read your last paragraph. You assert that their hatred of our society and culture is the cause, and I’m asserting that it is the result.

I can see where you’re coming from, check out the Sayet stuff to see where I’m coming from.

Maybe Sayet (and I) are attributing too much rationality to the Left, assuming that there must be some “rational” underpinning to their f’d up mindset.


27 posted on 12/11/2007 8:22:54 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: AZLiberty

I watch CNN, whenever Greta Van Susteran’s mug pops up on fox.


28 posted on 12/11/2007 8:24:26 AM PST by BBell
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To: MrB

I will do that. No time right now.

But I believe you’ve got it exactly backwards. They dislike our society, which leads them to exalt all others by comparison. They know little and care less about the actual facts of those societies.

If they truly believe in no objective truths, how can they denounce racism, sexism, ethnocentrism and all the other “bad things” they oppose with a straight face? Is not the belief that racism, sexism, etc. are bad itself a cultural judgment inherently no more valid than any other? Yet somehow they have no problem believing that everything THEY hate is objectively bad.

The hate comes first, the rationale for that hate second (and variable at need).

BTW, for most this is all subconcious. They truly believe their dislike and contempt for our society is rationally founded in one of their pet causes.


29 posted on 12/11/2007 8:29:27 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tacticalogic

“This is when the unobstructed expansion of the federal bureaucracy began.”

It was also when taxes were taken DIRECTLY from the paycheck. Men came back from a war, and when they started working for that paycheck, the taxes were automatically taken out. This was not the case before the war. I guess everyone was so happy that the war was over, complaining about their taxes seemed wrong somehow. But this one thing was allowed the extensive growth of the federal government to this very day. We citizens have no power to have a “tea party” if we wished too. Remember the threads about the amnesty? All people could do was call their “representative”. The greatest generation came back to a country that did not exist in terms of the freedoms they fought so hard to keep. Without one peep.


30 posted on 12/11/2007 8:42:48 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: TruthConquers

Everyone complains about the “hippies”, as if they arrived one day on a spaceship.


31 posted on 12/11/2007 8:47:33 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I ran into that “thought process” at University. A professor claimed that all cultures are equal, and none are any better than any other. With the horrific blood-letting that more or less defines the 20th century in mind, I pointed that it follows by that logic, no cultures are any worse either, by definition, and he agreed without hesitation.

The whole point of the liberal-arts portion of a university education today is to confuse the young mind, to chip away their allegiences to parents, authority, “the establishment”, etc, any sort of religious based mores or values, any sort of so-called individualist thinking, isolate and weed out free thinkers, etc. EVERYTHING is political with these folks.


32 posted on 12/11/2007 8:50:28 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Clemenza

1945?? Factory pay was excellent starting about 1940, everybody new the war was coming. Hell, the Pentagon construction started before Pearl Harbor.

Going a lot farther back, Ford doubled the going industry wage to 5 (five) dollars a day in 1914 for his factory workers, (maybe $150- $200 today) and so many applicants showed up they had to be driven away with firehoses. In January.


33 posted on 12/11/2007 9:00:38 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
With the horrific blood-letting that more or less defines the 20th century

If you really believe this, let me suggest the book War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage by Lawrence H. Keeley. It quite irrefutably establishes that almost all primitive societies are far more violent than even those of the 20th century.

The average "primitive society" studied by him had violent death rates at least 10 times higher than those suffered in war during the 20th century.

IOW, if the 20th century had been as violent as the leftists' beloved "wise and peaceful indigenous peoples," 1B to 2B people would have been killed rather than the 100M to 200M that were.

The 20th century killed large numbers of people, but this is much more a function of the high population than of the intrinsic level of violence.

34 posted on 12/11/2007 9:12:34 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tax-chick

Respected FReeper Mrs. Don-o lurched through the Peter Pan Nation thread, struggling to grasp the arcane intellectual jokes irrelevantly inserted by notoriously multiparous forumista Tax-chick.

Got it. Thank you. :o)


35 posted on 12/11/2007 9:35:53 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Vernie was underdressed for this foul weather; her black, rain-soaked tank top clinging to her torso)
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To: qam1

“I WON’T GROW UP!”


36 posted on 12/11/2007 9:36:01 AM PST by Grunthor (Profanity doesn’t kill Democrats. It’s been tried.)
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To: bs9021; qam1
• “More adults, ages eighteen to forty-nine, watch the Cartoon Network than watch CNN.”

That's good news. The cartoons don't crap on my country and military like CNN and CN didn't plant lefties at the Republican debates!

• “Readers as old as twenty-nine are buying ‘young adult’ fiction written expressly for teens.” 'Cuz everything else is written by, about and for weird old Baby boomer women!

• “The average video gamester was eighteen in 1990; now he’s going on thirty.”

'Cuz the movies suck lately.

• “And no wonder: The National Academy of Sciences has, in 2002, redefined adolescence as the period extending from the onset of puberty, around twelve, to age thirty.”

Studies owned and performed by boomers--it makes the boomers feel younger.

• “Maybe this helps explain why about one-third of the fifty-six million Americans sitting down to watch SpongeBob SquarePants on Nickelodeon each month in 2002 were between the ages of eighteen and forty-nine.”

Spongebob is miles better than the snarky leftist sitcoms.... Miles better than 'Sex in the City'

I watch the shows that don't make me wanna put a bullet through my TV. I end up watching a lot of cartoons....

Gen-X happens to be a sliver genertaion between the Baby Boom and the "Echo Boom" that there isn't much for us in the culture between the geriatric boomers and the 'young adults'

So if you are in your mid-30's, you're not going to be enjoying boomer culture and everyone that drives the marketing is younger: There's just not much there in culture between Linsday Lohan and Sharon Stone....

37 posted on 12/11/2007 9:38:39 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (Peace Through Light)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very good. Polysyllabic as well as anarthrous.


38 posted on 12/11/2007 10:42:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Spongebob is miles better than the snarky leftist sitcoms.... Miles better than 'Sex in the City' I watch the shows that don't make me wanna put a bullet through my TV. I end up watching a lot of cartoons....

You make a good point. While I agree with the authors main thesis, I don't find his bullet points very persuasive, because they deal mostly with leisure activities. To decide which are more mature is largely subjective. As you pointed out, it's hard to make the case that one choice of leisure activity (watching SpongeBob) is more mature than another (watching Sex And The City).

39 posted on 12/11/2007 12:13:44 PM PST by murdoog
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To: murdoog
While I agree with the authors main thesis, I don't find his bullet points very persuasive, because they deal mostly with leisure activities. To decide which are more mature is largely subjective.

Well said. After all, 50 or 100 years ago a predominant form of American entertainment was to watch grown men trying to smack a ball with a wooden stick.

IMO, a legal adult who is self-supporting, law-abiding, civic-minded, and respectful of others is a "grown-up", even if he reads Harry Potter books. A much more persuasive argument could be made by showing how fewer American men step forward to take care of the children they create, or how people are less responsible with handling their debts now vs. X years ago.

Of course, this has already been written about in hundreds of books and is not nearly as amusing as reading about Spongebob.

40 posted on 12/11/2007 12:30:33 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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