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To: Da_Shrimp
"...Sorry you seem to have a problem with that..."

Friend, you should be sorry that you don't see a problem with that.

We've transcended the whole "you're a bad person if you look askance at islam" mode; we are at the next level, the "it's common sense to question the presence of islam in any area of western society" mode. Just so you know, self-preservation and the survival of my (and your) family now trumps hurt muslim feelings every time.

16 posted on 12/12/2007 6:21:43 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
Friend, you should be sorry that you don't see a problem with that

I'm not, though.

You see, barring some sort of Final Solution or mass expulsions, Muslims are here to stay in Britain. I have a couple of Muslim friends, who like to go to the pub and have pint and a fag (cigarette) and look at girls just like anyone else.

Now, the only way to turn these guys into radicals would be to tell them that they're evil just because of their religion. I had much rather they had people like the Baroness to represent their views in public.

"Britishness is not something that can be put in words. It is about institutions, and traditions, and the shared values which are often felt more than spoken."

Spot on, love!

19 posted on 12/12/2007 6:36:55 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

As DaShrimp has said, there are actually muslims out there, such as this Tory Peer, who are not out to get non-muslims. But you can be sure if you start treating them like something akin to the Kulaks in Stalin’s Russia (deftly avoided Godwin’s Law there), even moderate and patriotic British muslims like this peer would be pushed into genuine radicalism.
The reason I posted this story was because I am a British conservative who believes that Thatcher was one of our greatest Prime Ministers, but I also believe some of the opinions expressed here about Muslims are completely ridiculous and over the top. I have friends who are muslim who are decent people and I suspect a lot of people here have little experiance with muslims, save for perhaps when they were deployed in certain middle-eastern hell-holes were most of the population was hostile and trying to blow your head off...


21 posted on 12/12/2007 6:57:29 AM PST by thundrey
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