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Good vs Evil [God vs Science]
Open Letters | 12/12/07 | Coffee260

Posted on 12/12/2007 9:47:32 AM PST by coffee260

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To: rjsimmon

If He is omnipotent, how can we have free will?


21 posted on 12/12/2007 10:15:04 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Sherman Logan

EXACTLY RIGHT!

The concept of free will escapes many people, that’s why it’s important to study Scripture, it’s not just about “feelings”.

...and we know that Democrats exercise their free will with impunity. After 31 yrs. in law enforcement, I would have liked to take this person out and SHOWED him what human beings are capable of and then let him tell me evil doesn’t exist, but alas, I’m retired from that...


22 posted on 12/12/2007 10:15:54 AM PST by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: Paradox

LOL!


23 posted on 12/12/2007 10:18:06 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Dan Evans
If He is omnipotent, how can we have free will?

Two separate and distinct issues. Neither can cancel each other out. Free will is the gift of God to man and, to a limited extent, angels. Satan used free will to rebel against God and thus the fall.
24 posted on 12/12/2007 10:18:41 AM PST by rjsimmon
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The range of the American Crow extends from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean in Canada, on the French islands of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, south through the United States, and into northern Mexico.[1] Virtually all types of country from wilderness, farmland, parks, open woodland to towns and major cities are inhabited.
---American Crow
25 posted on 12/12/2007 10:21:09 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

A philosopher once said ( I forget which one)

“I believe in God. Why? Because is it better to believe in a God that doesnt exist than to not believe in one who does.”

Very logical.


26 posted on 12/12/2007 10:21:28 AM PST by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Dan Evans
If He is omnipotent, how can we have free will?
Favorite question of college freshman the world over.
27 posted on 12/12/2007 10:21:52 AM PST by samtheman
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To: coffee260
So. . .this professor who has probably thought about this type of exchange extensively (and probably practiced it on other students), gets a big kick out of himself for asking these 'tough' questions of a student who has probably never even thought about these issues before.

The professor is a moron.

28 posted on 12/12/2007 10:22:08 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: samtheman
Live in IA. Never saw them in any numbers. Scarecrows were not needed.
Kansas; now there's another story...
29 posted on 12/12/2007 10:25:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: rjsimmon
Free will is the gift of God to man

So I guess what you are saying is that even though He is omnipotent He chose to give us the ability to commit evil.

Why do you suppose he did that?

30 posted on 12/12/2007 10:25:32 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: samtheman

I have never seen a scarecrow in an Iowan cornfield. And brother, I spent 20 years on the farm.


31 posted on 12/12/2007 10:25:52 AM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Interesting. Maybe the folks in Iowa are better shots, and the crows know it. Or maybe the crows just think it.


32 posted on 12/12/2007 10:26:19 AM PST by samtheman
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To: coffee260
The professor sat down and promptly flunked the student for not toeing the line.

There, finished it.

33 posted on 12/12/2007 10:26:58 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: Dan Evans
If He is omnipotent, how can we have free will?

Because omnipotence necessarily carries with it the capacity to modulate the use of potency.

34 posted on 12/12/2007 10:28:16 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: samtheman

Don’t you love the arrogance of this professor when he substitutes his wisdom and reasoning for God’s will?

“If God can heal someone and doesn’t, He’s not good.”


35 posted on 12/12/2007 10:28:33 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Dan Evans
So I guess what you are saying is that even though He is omnipotent He chose to give us the ability to commit evil.

Why do you suppose he did that?

So we wouldn't be robots? So our appreciation of Him would actually mean something?
36 posted on 12/12/2007 10:28:58 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Sherman Logan
I believe evil does have independent existence. It came into existence when entities of free will chose to rebel against their Creator and attempt to domineer over others He had created. The potential for evil is inherent in the universe as long as free will exists.

So, is free will God's failure? Why would something created by God's perfection (free will) spout evil? Wouldn't that imply that God's creation (free will) is inherently imperfect, simply because this creation begets evil?

I mean, if something is created by a force that cannot err, then by the very definition used to describe the perfection of the creator disintegrates, if the creation of that perfect force allows something imperfect (evil) to be produced.

A factory tests its products because the factory is not perfect. Why is there a need for God to test His creations?

If the above seems offensive, kindly ignore them. I'm only interested in genuine answers to the questions above.

37 posted on 12/12/2007 10:29:04 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: coffee260

It’s not science that has the problem with God. All my professors were Christians.

Its the atheists who have the problem.


38 posted on 12/12/2007 10:29:38 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MrB

Except no real atheists professors would ever talk this way. This is as realistic as a Nancy Drew novel.


39 posted on 12/12/2007 10:30:10 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Illuminatas

I’ve been reading several texts on how scientific discovery lately has been inexorably pointing to the existance of a Creator.

Privileged Planet & The Case for a Creator.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 10:30:48 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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