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To: IrishCatholic
I don’t know what your bone is with Kline.

Because I know Phill and I've watched him in action for 15 years.

He took the Johnson County DA spot as a lame duck despite the unreasoning hate he faced.

Phill took the Johnson County DA spot vacated by the man who beat him for a single reason, it paid well. He was selected for the office for a single reason, there is a civil war raging in the Kansas GOP and one wing wanted to stick it to the other wing. If Chris Biggs is selected to fill out Morrison's term then the primary reason, I believe, for his selection is to do unto the Republicans what they did to the Democrats - appoint someone Phill beat to the office he once held. The major difference being that Phill narrowly beat Briggs while Morrison creamed him.

I for the life of me do not understand this Phill worship on the part of people outside of Kansas. We recognize Phill for what he is, an inept attorney and a hack politician, and his election results have shown that. He lost his run for Congress in 2000, he narrowly defeated a complete unknown in 2002 and he was soundly defeated in 2006. Any look at his performance should explain why.

Everyone keeps talking about some grand conspiracy between Tiller and the Democrats, but the reason why Tiller keeps doing what he's doing is very simple. Kansas abortion laws are among the most lenient in the country. If you want to do away with the Tillers of the state then the solution is easy, tighten up the laws. But the Republicans haven't done that, and in his 8 years in the legislature Phill did nothing to further any changes to the laws. And when he was Attorney General, what did he do to prosecute Tiller under the laws that existed? Nothing. Not until a month or so before the 2006 election when he filed misdemeanor charges in such an inept manner that they were promptly thrown out. Any law student could have predicted those results. Either Phill is incredibly stupid or else it was all a election year stunt.

Morrison dumped the charges because he believed they were unwinnable. Well, I don't know whether that is true or not but when Morrison did file charges on Tiller at least his weren't laughed out of court.

You mentioned the charges that Phill has filed against Planned Parenthood. Well, once again we're seeing Phill at his best. I know quite a few attorneys in the JoCo area and their consensus is that these charges, too, will be thrown out. The reason being that if, as expected, Phill used evidence based on files collected during his AG investigation then that evidence is tainted because the information should have been returned when the original investigation was terminated. If Phill did do that then he broke the law and the charges will go nowhere.

So that's what I have against Phill, he's an idiot with an agenda. He seems to be using his offices to pander to his supporters rather than seriously enforcing the law. I'd like to see Tiller put out of business, but the way to do that is within the law. And if the current law doesn't allow for it then change that law, don't abuse it for poltical gain. Phill does that, and the people of this state have seen through him. That's why is record in elections is so dismal, and why he has not future in Kansas politics.

Assuming Biggs is selected then we'll have to see what happens. There are about 25 counts against Tiller filed by Morrison. And these haven't been thrown out on a technicality, so already Morrison is one-up on Phill. If Tiller is convicted on all of them and receives the max then that's 25 years in jail. Briggs, or whoever else is appointed, will be expected to press on and if they make a mess of it then you can trot out your conspiracy theories and claim Tiller has them in his pocket. But what are you going to do if Tiller loses? What will you say then?

35 posted on 12/15/2007 5:49:30 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I don’t know what your bone is with Kline.

Because I know Phill and I've watched him in action for 15 years.

He took the Johnson County DA spot as a lame duck despite the unreasoning hate he faced.

Phill took the Johnson County DA spot vacated by the man who beat him for a single reason, it paid well. He was selected for the office for a single reason, there is a civil war raging in the Kansas GOP and one wing wanted to stick it to the other wing. If Chris Biggs is selected to fill out Morrison's term then the primary reason, I believe, for his selection is to do unto the Republicans what they did to the Democrats - appoint someone Phill beat to the office he once held. The major difference being that Phill narrowly beat Briggs while Morrison creamed him.

Phill Kline was selected by the committee of Johnson County Republicans in a contentious meeting that was reported with unrelenting bias in the media. The Party selected him over other candidates. He didn’t take the spot, it was given to him. As for the tit for tat, Morrison was a Republican DA, not a Democratic one. So your point doesn’t make sense. And the huge elephant in the room you absolutely ignore is that Morrison beat Kline because of Tiller’s flyers and money. Biggs also had Tiller’s flyers and money but Tiller just spent more this time to buy Morrison the office. Take away the flyers and the press propaganda (Only refuted on O'Reilly, not in state) and you have voters that might have chosen differently. Dirty tricks got Morrison elected. Only that.

I for the life of me do not understand this Phill worship on the part of people outside of Kansas. We recognize Phill for what he is, an inept attorney and a hack politician, and his election results have shown that. He lost his run for Congress in 2000, he narrowly defeated a complete unknown in 2002 and he was soundly defeated in 2006. Any look at his performance should explain why.

I’m in Kansas and “We recognize Phill for what he is” doesn’t fly. The Sheriff’s Association backed him. State Legislators backed him. The KBI backed him. So ‘We Kansans’ must be Johnson County RINO’s. I’m not a fan of Klines. But I know when a man is getting screwed by scumbags like TV 5 reporters or squishy RINOs.

Everyone keeps talking about some grand conspiracy between Tiller and the Democrats, but the reason why Tiller keeps doing what he's doing is very simple. Kansas abortion laws are among the most lenient in the country. If you want to do away with the Tillers of the state then the solution is easy, tighten up the laws. But the Republicans haven't done that, and in his 8 years in the legislature Phill did nothing to further any changes to the laws. And when he was Attorney General, what did he do to prosecute Tiller under the laws that existed? Nothing. Not until a month or so before the 2006 election when he filed misdemeanor charges in such an inept manner that they were promptly thrown out. Any law student could have predicted those results. Either Phill is incredibly stupid or else it was all a election year stunt. Morrison dumped the charges because he believed they were unwinnable. Well, I don't know whether that is true or not but when Morrison did file charges on Tiller at least his weren't laughed out of court.

You either don’t read kansasmeadowlark.com or, I’m sorry to say, as I hate to be personal on these things, you’re a liar. Morrison was paid to drop the cases. Indirectly it could be argued, but paid. Two courts found probable cause. How the cases were dismissed was rank corruption between Clark, Folston, and Tiller. No recusal there. Even Morrison couldn’t completely whitewash his biggest donor. Morrison fought everyone tooth and nail to protect Tiller and now we see Planned Parenthood too. You know about the money Tiller gave to the Democratic Governor’s Association and how Sebelius then became the head. You know about her veto of abortion clinic inspections. You know of the lack of enforcement of the laws as written. You know of Morrison threatening Dr. McHugh when he stated Tiller’s abortions weren’t legal. (You also know the threat was bogus because he didn’t discuss specific cases.)

If you insist on this dishonesty I can spend the rest of the night spanking you on it. So don’t try it again. Facts are facts whether you like them or not.


You mentioned the charges that Phill has filed against Planned Parenthood. Well, once again we're seeing Phill at his best. I know quite a few attorneys in the JoCo area and their consensus is that these charges, too, will be thrown out. The reason being that if, as expected, Phill used evidence based on files collected during his AG investigation then that evidence is tainted because the information should have been returned when the original investigation was terminated. If Phill did do that then he broke the law and the charges will go nowhere.

I know quite a few attorneys in Johnson County too. Most are scumbags. I know a few that haven’t sold their souls. Some still work in the DA’s office. I would like to see one of them as the next DA. But never hold up an attorney as a symbol of virtue. The Grand Jury will sort it out. So will the one in Wichita. The Democratic money tap is in danger of drying up.

So that's what I have against Phill, he's an idiot with an agenda. He seems to be using his offices to pander to his supporters rather than seriously enforcing the law. I'd like to see Tiller put out of business, but the way to do that is within the law. And if the current law doesn't allow for it then change that law, don't abuse it for poltical gain. Phill does that, and the people of this state have seen through him. That's why is record in elections is so dismal, and why he has not future in Kansas politics.

Funny, no mention of the fight to get state officials to enforce existing abortion laws. No indication of the front companies and false addresses in Oklahoma to send out the Snoop mailers. No queasiness at all about the connections between Tiller and the Governor, Morrison, and Biggs. Just an irrational ad hominem attack against Kline. What ever did he do to you? Beat you in a local race? Beat you on a court case? Kick your dog?

Assuming Biggs is selected then we'll have to see what happens. There are about 25 counts against Tiller filed by Morrison. And these haven't been thrown out on a technicality, so already Morrison is one-up on Phill. If Tiller is convicted on all of them and receives the max then that's 25 years in jail. Briggs, or whoever else is appointed, will be expected to press on and if they make a mess of it then you can trot out your conspiracy theories and claim Tiller has them in his pocket. But what are you going to do if Tiller loses? What will you say then?

The original cases were thrown out by Morrison as he pledged to do even before reading the cases or taking office. He fired the special prosecutor and buried the out of state witnesses. Cool way to throw out cases. You don’t even have to read them that way.
Let’s assume Biggs is selected. He has already feasted on the Tiller cash tit along with Morrison and Sebelius. Think he’ll cut it off to spite his boss? Conspiracy theories? You must get up extra early to contort you reasoning into the twists they are in. If Morrison was only guilty of getting a little on the side, do you think he would have bailed after only a week? No, he sold his soul for a future spot in state or national politics. He just was sloppy in crossing the line. If Biggs does put Tiller away, it will because there was no way around it. You refuse to acknowledge the stink the whole Tiller “conspiracy theory” has raised all across the state.
What will you say when Kline is vindicated on the original cases?

41 posted on 12/15/2007 4:23:35 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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