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Ban on imitation Samurai swords(UK Barf Alert)
BBC News International Version ^ | 12/12/07 | BBC News

Posted on 12/15/2007 4:14:38 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

Imitation Samurai swords are to be banned after a spate of attacks in the UK, say ministers.

The Home Office has confirmed plans to outlaw the weapons in England and Wales after putting forward the idea earlier this year.

Home Office minister Vernon Coaker said there was a clear danger to the public posed by easily-available swords.

The proposal is expected to stop short of banning genuine Japanese swords held by collectors or genuine enthusiasts.

In March 2007 the Home Office proposed banning imitation Samurai swords after representations from both MPs and the public. Ministers in Scotland had proposed a similar move in 2006.

Calls for a ban came after a number of high-profile incidents in which cheap Samurai-style swords had been used as a weapon.

The Home Office estimates there have been some 80 attacks in recent years involving Samurai-style blades, leading to at least five deaths.

While genuine Samurai swords are part of Japanese history and change hands for large sums of money, there is a trade in imitation blades which can be bought over the internet for as little as £35.

Under the proposals, the government will ban the import, sale and hire of Samurai swords from April 2008.

Anyone breaching the ban will face six months in jail and a £5,000 fine.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; nannystate; samurai; swords
What a pathetic nanny state England has become. Soon it will be plastic knives and forks and the entire country will be paved over so citizens can't have access to deadly stones.
1 posted on 12/15/2007 4:14:39 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I wonder if the ban includes pointed sticks.


2 posted on 12/15/2007 4:23:09 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I don’t guess they are banning authentic Samurai swords. What about their own homegrown swords?


3 posted on 12/15/2007 4:24:54 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MrPiper

I’m bookmarking this. A classic example of what happens when people give up their freedom to government.


4 posted on 12/15/2007 4:34:51 AM PST by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Ban guns, use knives, ban knives, use swords, ban swords, use bombs, hey wait, bombs are banned. OK then we have to ban the bomb ingredients you can buy at Home Depot, now you are talking. BTW one of the best materials to make a knife or sword out of is an old car leaf spring -- Good old carbon steel. If you are into that, they are easy to make, all you need is a cheap grinder to make a servicable kife or big sword. Look at it this way, they have been making knives for 1000s of years, how hard can it be. Buck knives started with car springs, as did Marbles Knives. Make your own sword. ... The ridiculous liberals, they never see the light, not worth trying to fix them., I am convinced, liberalism is a disease.
5 posted on 12/15/2007 4:54:49 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: MrPiper

The war was great fun until....

They started throwing rocks and pointed sticks, LOl

That is a butchered qoute from tv show Dinosaurs (not enough coffee as yet)


6 posted on 12/15/2007 5:17:23 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Youtube playing with swords
7 posted on 12/15/2007 5:20:02 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Tarpon
The ridiculous liberals, they never see the light, not worth trying to fix them., I am convinced, liberalism is a disease.

I would say mental "disorder" ie, whackjob sick-o, but that may be just a matter of semantics.

8 posted on 12/15/2007 5:38:17 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
The Manager of Ye Olde Samurai Crumpet Shoppe had this to say:

"hachimitsu wo moratta kuma no pu-san wa katajikenai to iimashita sessha wa kuma no pu-san no youjinbou de gozaru"

9 posted on 12/15/2007 5:56:34 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

My katana is very real.


10 posted on 12/15/2007 6:26:07 AM PST by Beckwith (<the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
What a pathetic nanny state England has become. Soon it will be plastic knives and forks and the entire country will be paved over so citizens can't have access to deadly stones.

As the owner of a very genuine and expensive Samuri Sword, I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone. Those of us that have the real thing would never use the sword for anything other than keeping in our own personal collection.

11 posted on 12/15/2007 6:27:11 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
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Right!!! Well then... henceforth, all things sharp will be banned, and all things pointy shall also be banned, and anything that is sharp AND pointy is right out!!!

Also, things that are blunt are banned, and things that are heavy are banned, and things that are blunt AND heavy are RIGHT OUT AS WELL!!!

Well, lets see... that about cover it then???

12 posted on 12/15/2007 6:27:39 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

In the UK they Rock and Roll for Knife Control! SERIOUSLY, scissors are NEXT on the banned list! Janet Reno wanted to do the same thing here, you may remember, and requested copies of British laws to help fit them into the US Code of Federal Statutes.


13 posted on 12/15/2007 7:01:39 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: JEC

As the owner of a very genuine and expensive (gun), I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone. Those of us that have the real thing would never use the (gun) for anything other than keeping in our own personal collection.

How does that sound??


14 posted on 12/15/2007 7:10:18 AM PST by Shellback Chuck
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To: Tarpon
all you need is a cheap grinder to make a servicable kife or big sword

Well then, obviously they need to take away cheap Saturday-night grinders too.

15 posted on 12/15/2007 7:19:42 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: JEC
I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether.

When they came for the cheap swords I said nothing, for I did not own a cheap sword.

16 posted on 12/15/2007 7:22:05 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

neutered nanny-state bump..........


17 posted on 12/15/2007 7:34:26 AM PST by indthkr
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To: armymarinemom

LOL!


18 posted on 12/15/2007 7:37:05 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Shellback Chuck
As the owner of a very genuine and expensive (gun), I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone. Those of us that have the real thing would never use the (gun) for anything other than keeping in our own personal collection. How does that sound??

I enjoy my iron sights.

19 posted on 12/15/2007 7:42:23 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: JEC
"As the owner of a very genuine and expensive Samuri Sword, I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone.

Swords for me, but not for thee.

Define garbage.

20 posted on 12/15/2007 7:43:12 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: sionnsar
When they came for the cheap swords I said nothing, for I did not own a cheap sword.

When they came for your brain, they found nothing...

21 posted on 12/15/2007 7:44:40 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: spunkets
Swords for me, but not for thee. Define garbage.

Pressed knockoffs made to look like the genuine thing. They sell them by the dozen in the "cheaper than dirt" catalog.

22 posted on 12/15/2007 7:47:57 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: JEC

Pathetic


23 posted on 12/15/2007 8:09:19 AM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Calls for a ban came after a number of high-profile incidents in which cheap Samurai-style swords had been used as a weapon.

Did any of these attacks result in decapitations preceded by the comment: In the end ... there can be only ONE... and followed immediately by spectacular light shows and eerie electrical type of effects?

24 posted on 12/15/2007 8:13:07 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: JEC
I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone.

You're kidding, right? One man's garbage is another's treasure. I have a wooden Bokken that I use in Aikido. You'd ban that as well? Are you of Australian ancestry by any chance?

25 posted on 12/15/2007 8:24:42 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: JEC
"Pressed knockoffs made to look like the genuine thing. They sell them by the dozen in the "cheaper than dirt" catalog."

Pressed? It sounded as though you might be knowledgable about these things. Does hammer forging detract from the spiritual value of hand forging? Is it the through hardening of "Cold Steel's" blades you object to, as is common in all other swords whether modern, or not? Can't be the carbon steel, because that's what a traditional katana blade is. Copies of nihonto start at ~$400 and most are above. Depending on the particulars, the copies are eqivalent to nihonto as working blades. One could spend $29K for nihonto, or buy a copy for $400-900 and have the equivalent working blade.

A modern tech version of the blade below is ~$3000+ and still doesn't match it's edge hardness and toughness, and overall blade toughness. This one goes through 3" maple, has been used to dismantle cars and is not dulled much by hitting rocks, or going through sandy wood. It was a working blade for 12 years before it finally gave up the ghost. I'd be an idiot to spend $25k+ for nihonto, which would be destroyed rather quickly doing that. The copies are just fine, excluding the metal working tasks.


26 posted on 12/15/2007 8:36:39 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: ExSoldier

Aikido? Don’t you mean Kendo?


27 posted on 12/15/2007 8:39:28 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
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28 posted on 12/15/2007 8:40:42 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: spunkets
Aikido is at it's heart a SWORD art.

Example: BOKKEN KATA

29 posted on 12/15/2007 8:51:48 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Thanks. I always thought of it as a neutralizing type of grappling art.


30 posted on 12/15/2007 9:04:48 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Shellback Chuck
As the owner of a very genuine and expensive (gun), I personally wish that they would just ban these cheap imitations altogether. They are literally garbage and can be easily gotten by almost anyone. Those of us that have the real thing would never use the (gun) for anything other than keeping in our own personal collection.

How does that sound??

Sounds like a lot of gun owners right here in the US.

This is GB's equivalent of banning "Saturday Night Specials".

31 posted on 12/15/2007 9:08:49 AM PST by dbwz (kthxbai)
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To: Tarpon

There’s something else that makes good knives and is much easier to come-by...and takes far less effort to shape into a knife.

lawnmower blades.

They are made from an excellent alloy for knifemaking.


32 posted on 12/15/2007 9:11:39 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

So...what is the exact cutoff date for the UK “preban” samurai swords?


33 posted on 12/15/2007 9:12:29 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Clint Williams; JEC

I agree. I did laugh though.


34 posted on 12/15/2007 9:14:18 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Grizzled Bear

Et qui nolunt occidere quemquam, posse volunt. - Juvenal

( And even those who do not wish to kill anyone would like the means to do so. )


35 posted on 12/15/2007 10:55:31 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: ExSoldier
Are you of Australian ancestry by any chance?

Sicilian and others.

36 posted on 12/15/2007 3:26:29 PM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: JEC
Proud heritage. Why on Earth would you do so bold a lineage such disrespect by advocating creeping government tyranny?
37 posted on 12/15/2007 6:51:34 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Tarpon
one of the best materials to make a knife or sword out of is an old car leaf spring

I love my fellow FReepers. I really do.

38 posted on 12/15/2007 6:54:51 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: ExSoldier

As you say, “Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote”.


39 posted on 12/16/2007 6:55:25 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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