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Children? Not If You Love The Planet (Mark Steyn Looks At Enviro Wackoism Gone Wild Alert)
Orange County Register ^ | 12/15/2007 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 12/15/2007 7:39:54 AM PST by goldstategop

As I say, the above demographic audit has become something of an annual tradition in this space. But here's something new that took hold in the year 2007: A radical antihumanism, long present just below the surface, bobbed up and became explicit and respectable. In Britain, the Optimum Population Trust said that "the biggest cause of climate change is climate changers – in other words, human beings," and professor John Guillebaud called on Britons to voluntarily reduce the number of children they have.

"Every person who is born," says Toni Vernelli, "produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases and adds to the problem of overpopulation." We are the pollution, and sterilization is the solution. The best way to bequeath a more sustainable environment to our children is not to have any.

What's the "pro-choice" line? "Every child should be wanted"? Not anymore. The progressive position has subtly evolved: Every child should be unwanted.

By the way, if you're looking for some last-minute stocking stuffers, Oxford University Press has published a book by professor David Benatar of the University of Cape Town called "Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence." The author "argues for the 'anti-natal' view – that it is always wrong to have children … . Anti-natalism also implies that it would be better if humanity became extinct." As does Alan Weisman's "The World Without Us" – which Publishers Weekly hails as "an enthralling tour of the world … anticipating, often poetically, what a planet without us would be like." It's a good thing it "anticipates" it poetically, because, once it happens, there will be no more poetry.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


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Today's Left has adopted a trendy ant-natalist position: children are bad for the planet's future. The Global Warming Cult's logical position is that a planet without humanity is better than a planet filled the sound of laughing children. Enviro Wackoism, taken to its logical conclusion, is about the destruction of civilization. The GW Cult is dangerous for people, for children and for the planet.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 12/15/2007 7:39:57 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
The best way to bequeath a more sustainable environment to our children is not to have any.


2 posted on 12/15/2007 7:42:09 AM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: goldstategop

BFL


3 posted on 12/15/2007 7:46:25 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: varyouga
Its scary. A planet without a single human being on it flies in the face of the Divine Message: "be fruitful and multiply." These people hate God as much as they hate His Handmaiden, Man.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 12/15/2007 7:47:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: gridlock
Its ironic those who care for the children don't have any themselves. That's the Left's post modern anti-humanism in a nutshell. Its Zero Population Growth writ large and is inspiration is neo sanger on the one hand: let's abort mankind! and neo luddite on the other hand: let's abort civilization! These people are nuts and would unimportant accept they occupy places of considerable influence upon our planet to spread their maleficent philosophy. We must all oppose it for the sake of the human future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 12/15/2007 7:51:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
So in post-Catholic Italy there is no miracle of a child this Christmas – unless you count the 70 percent of Italians between the ages of 20 and 30 who still live at home, the world's oldest teenagers still trudging up the stairs to the room they slept in as a child even as they approach their fourth decade. That's worth bearing in mind if you're an American gal heading to Rome on vacation: When that cool 29-year-old with the Mediterranean charm in the singles bar asks you back to his pad for a nightcap, it'll be his mom and dad's place.

Eternal teenagers - creepy. Really creepy.

6 posted on 12/15/2007 7:53:07 AM PST by GOPJ (Dems! Would you trust a pilot's wife to land a plane just because she's a frequent flyer??)
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To: GOPJ
A planet without any adults on it either. The adults are too busy tearing down our civilization to notice in most Western countries there are more children born named Mohammed than John. Ponder on that for a minute. If that doesn't scare the living daylights out of you, nothing will. For as Mark Steyn has written elsewhere, demography is destiny.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 12/15/2007 7:55:43 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Today's Left has adopted a trendy ant-natalist position: children are bad for the planet's future.

Great, the left can continue with this, their dieology in this regard, and folks like me will continue with ours. I have five kids. Two are married and have already produced 6 grandkids. I expect to have a good 20 or so grandkids before it is done.

At those rates, with the left having very few or none, and folks like me producing hundreds of great and great-great grankids...and teaching them conservative principles and to raise thier own properly as God-fearing all-American individuals...in another 2-3 generations...there will be no-left of any consequence.

Of course, they will not leave it at that...they will try to force me to adopt their principles and that will be the rub. They will seek, while they can, to gain the reigns of power and then use it like the tyrants they are to enforce their anti-American, anti-liberty views on the rest of us. Therefore the need to continue to not only beat them in the family-raising areana...but to continue to beat them in the areana of ideas.

8 posted on 12/15/2007 7:59:05 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: goldstategop
Thanks for the Steyn. It's been a while since I've read or heard Mr. Steyn.


9 posted on 12/15/2007 7:59:12 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: goldstategop
The anti children idiots forget that even if all those “pro environmentalists” self abort, that still leaves more room, resources for those who refuse to follow the delusional lemmings over thew population cliff.

Unless the antis demand the pro baby faction to “abort” their babies too.

10 posted on 12/15/2007 8:01:02 AM PST by RedMonqey
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To: goldstategop
The author "argues for the 'anti-natal' view – that it is always wrong to have children … . Anti-natalism also implies that it would be better if humanity became extinct."

"Go bump yourself off and we'll gladly forgive and forget what you're squawkin' about"

--Carson Robison, 1932

11 posted on 12/15/2007 8:01:52 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Jeff Head
Since they are not reproducing, the only way to perpetuate their vile beliefs is to brainwash our children. I have a feeling the Global Warming Cult won't matter in 20 years time when its principal adherents are dead and gone.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 12/15/2007 8:03:25 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RedMonqey

Yep, it’s probably better that the wackos don’t have kids. The ‘breeders’ will rule.


13 posted on 12/15/2007 8:04:03 AM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: goldstategop

I have said it before....

Those who would have this “children are bad for the planet” view of life...these are the ones who are bad for the planet.

They serve no function, excepting their own selfish hedonistic fulfillment.

Talk about selfish!

It is the function of organic life forms to procreate. (Or, as the Bible encourages us “Be fruitful and multiply”)

Fulfilling this basic, primal reason for being ((Which has also received the Seal of Approval from God, Himself), is the only reason for drawing breath.

These chowderheads are wastes of DNA and they are not only sucking up perfectly good oxygen, they are “polluting the planet” with their self described selfish, pointless carbon emissions.....


14 posted on 12/15/2007 8:06:47 AM PST by steve in DC
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To: goldstategop
Since they are not reproducing, the only way to perpetuate their vile beliefs is to brainwash our children.

That's exactly right. That's why they want to keep a stranglehold on the school situation.

15 posted on 12/15/2007 8:07:51 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Fiji Hill
For these people, the works of Man are a curse rather than a blessing. Otherwise, why the concerted drive to shutdown Western economies through completely irrational and arbitrary CO2 emissions reduction goals whose only purpose is to deprive every one of the stuff of life? Behind the GW Cult is the belief technological progress is dangerous to the well-being of the planet. The unspoken belief is human beings are the real danger to the planet as well.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 12/15/2007 8:09:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
A planet without a single human being on it flies in the face of the Divine Message: "be fruitful and multiply."

Exactly...and makes it all the more clear who precisley it is that is inpriring their cause. We are fighting against principalities and powers of darkness in high places that are attacking us on all fronts be it raising families, marriage, morality, education, our basic fundamental liberties, physical attacks from radical Islam and other enemies (ie. Red China), etc., etc. It all ultimately imminates from the same dark place..

17 posted on 12/15/2007 8:09:18 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: beaversmom

That is a critical message to drive home. Without government indoctrination centers, children would again derive the bulk of their values from their parents. Leftism (”progressivism”) as a meme is parasitic. Remove the vector (indoctrination camps) and it will go extinct.


18 posted on 12/15/2007 8:14:11 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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19 posted on 12/15/2007 8:21:37 AM PST by StACase
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To: goldstategop

I issue a call for volunteers. All those who believe that there are too many human beings on the planet are encouraged to leave immediately, by whatever means suits your fancy.


20 posted on 12/15/2007 8:24:21 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: goldstategop

For the people who don’t click on the full article:

The American Thinker’s Web site ran the numbers. In the seven years between the signing of Kyoto in 1997 and 2004, here’s what happened:

•Emissions worldwide increased 18.0 percent;

•Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1 percent;

•Emissions from nonsigners increased 10.0 percent; and

•Emissions from the United States increased 6.6 percent.


21 posted on 12/15/2007 8:27:48 AM PST by tlb
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To: goldstategop
Its ironic those who care for the children don't have any themselves.

The entire Left way of thinking is ironic.

For example, people who cannot even balance THEIR OWN checkbook think they can boost an economy by redistributing wealth by soaking the rich (meaning everyone with a job) with taxes.

22 posted on 12/15/2007 8:31:47 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: goldstategop
We must all oppose it for the sake of the human future.

In a certain perverse way, I'm all in favor of this latest "progressive" fad.

It should effectively rid the world of enviro-wackoism in the course of one generation.

23 posted on 12/15/2007 8:34:51 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: tlb
•Emissions worldwide increased 18.0 percent;

•Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1 percent;

•Emissions from nonsigners increased 10.0 percent; and

•Emissions from the United States increased 6.6 percent.

This just proves the point.

When in doubt, do the OPPOSITE of what a lefty think is the correct thing to do.

24 posted on 12/15/2007 8:35:13 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: SteamShovel
Algore blames America for leading the resistance to GW when in fact as the statistics presented demonstrate, America has REDUCED its GW emissions even in the ABSENCE of a formal commitment to Kyoto. And all without coercive government intervention in the economy. But that doesn't suit the Left's need to blame America for all the world's evils.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 12/15/2007 8:41:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I always find myself saying "Best Steyn ever" but this really is the best Steyn ever.

It's hard not to conclude a form of mental illness has gripped the world's elites. If you're one of that dwindling band of Westerners who'll be celebrating the birth of a child, "homeless" or otherwise, next week, make the most of it. A year or two on, and the eco-professors will propose banning Nativity scenes because they set a bad example.

26 posted on 12/15/2007 8:48:09 AM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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I suspect in fact that's the true motivation behind banning the Nativity Scene. Jesus is the embodiment of every thing the Left detests about Western Civilization. The Bible and its Judeo-Christian values have to go. Of course if they do, Nature abhors a vacuum. Its not going to be neo-paganism filling the space that's left but Islam.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 12/15/2007 8:51:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Its ironic those who care for the children don't have any themselves. That's the Left's post modern anti-humanism in a nutshell.

The idea, it seems to me, is that because humanity was not good enough to make Marxxism work, then it has no right to exist at all.

28 posted on 12/15/2007 9:01:36 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: goldstategop
Today's Left has adopted a trendy ant-natalist position: children are bad for the planet's future.

Yesterday's left promoted the same belief.

29 posted on 12/15/2007 9:03:27 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: goldstategop
Enviro Wackoism, taken to its logical conclusion, is about the destruction of civilization.

Actually, it's not about the destruction of civilization, it's about the extinction of humanity.

30 posted on 12/15/2007 9:10:45 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jeff Head
At those rates, with the left having very few or none, and folks like me producing hundreds of great and great-great grankids...and teaching them conservative principles and to raise thier own properly as God-fearing all-American individuals...in another 2-3 generations...there will be no-left of any consequence.

Good for you! Conservatives need to keep breeding and producing great, productive children that will be the leaders of tomorrow. The left will become like the Shakers - eventually, there will be none of them left. (I know I'm being overly hopeful, but I'm an optimist.)

I hope you have many grandchildren & great-grandchildren!

31 posted on 12/15/2007 9:14:45 AM PST by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter needs to be our next Sec. of Defense, Dir. of Homeland Security - or Vice President)
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To: varyouga; goldstategop; gridlock

This has happened before: the Albigensian madness in southern France in the 12th and 13th Century. This was a gnostic religious movement which held that the physical world was evil and created by Satan.

They said the worst crime was to “cruelly” trap another soul in flesh by bringing another child into the world. Their main commandment was to abstain from natural (procreative) intercourse.

Their leaders, called Cathari, were celibate and morbidly ascetical: they wouldn’t eat meat or burn a fire to keep warm (small carbon footprint?) -—and they condemned the Catholics who said it was morally OK to eat and drink and keep warm and marry and make love and have children.

The Albigensians told their followers that Christianity (Catholicism) was a lie and that they had no religious or moral obligations other than childlessness. It was OK for them to have non-procreativesex , so homosexuality and contraception were virtuous.

The Catholic Church was appalled by the rapid spread of this insane movement across southern France. After the failure of peaceful attempts at conversion, the Church was able to defeat them only by calling a Crusade.

What’s next with the New Albigensians? Watch and see.


32 posted on 12/15/2007 9:22:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Just to be is a Blessing; just to live is Holy." --Rabbi Abraham Heschel)
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To: goldstategop
A year or two on, and the eco-professors will propose banning Nativity scenes because they set a bad example.
33 posted on 12/15/2007 9:22:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: DuncanWaring

If they want to take this to its logical conclusion, then they should KILL THEMSELVES! In an environmentally friendly way, of course.


34 posted on 12/15/2007 9:26:49 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: Jeff Head
It all ultimately imminates from the same dark place..

I have been saying this for some time now. The dark forces of Lucifer AKA Satan AKA The Devil, are very much alive today. It is my humble opinion that this dark force was behind the beginnings of Islam. Mohammad was a prophet all right, a prophet of death and darkness! He was the devil's handmaiden.

35 posted on 12/15/2007 9:28:50 AM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Jeff Head

Good for you! Remember that though the neo-Malthusians and neo-Ludites don’t procreate, they do recruit. They control the major sources of American children’s spiritual (de)formation: the TV, the Mall, and the Public School .

I pray every day on my knees: O Lord, protect my boys.


36 posted on 12/15/2007 9:29:45 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Public schools are the reproductive organs of liberalism.)
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To: goldstategop
Not according to the Bible!

Genesis 1:26-28
 
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4 Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground."
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God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth."

37 posted on 12/15/2007 9:33:10 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: goldstategop
Fine. Let enviro-nut liberals not have children while conservatives have all the children they can handle.

That form of evolution I can agree with.

38 posted on 12/15/2007 9:33:39 AM PST by ryan71
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To: RedMonqey
"Unless the antis demand the pro baby faction to “abort” their babies too."

They'll try. They'll go for imposing a $5,000 carbon tax on parents for every childbirth. They'll promote homosexuality in the schools (Gay-Straight Alliance in the middle and high schools) and in the media. The "Will and Grace" generation --- all our kids' peers --- think homosexuality is morally neutral, just a kind of natural diversity like right-and left-handedness.

And I'll bet 80% of FReepers have no objection to marital contraception. Heterosexual gays.

39 posted on 12/15/2007 9:34:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Public schools are the reproductive organs of liberalism.)
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To: yawningotter

Perhaps in the manner of Timothy Treadwell, “recycling” themselves.


40 posted on 12/15/2007 9:36:45 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: goldstategop

A child is a “vote” for the continuation of your values and your culture. Apparently, many in the West don’t believe those things are worth saving. They’ve made their choice and there’s little to be done about it.

I’m not so sure American conservatives are going to repopulate the West by themselves. Liberals often come from conservative families (think baby boomers) and today about 80% of Christian children abandon their religion, at least for a time (http://mondaymorninginsight.com/index.php/site/comments/88_of_evangelical_children_leave_the_church_after_high_school/). While this doesn’t mean they will adopt liberal values, there does seem to be a correlation between church membership and large families.

So, what’s the solution? I don’t know, but if the trend continues, Western culture’s days are numbered.

Moreover, I wouldn’t worry too much about the Muslims dancing on our graves. Their culture is all about force. The Koran teaches Muslims to solve their problems through violence – crush the infidel, dismember and kill criminals, punish the victims to prevent rape, etc. I give them fifty years tops before they blow the Shiite out of each other.

After that? I suppose God can try again with the rats and roaches.


41 posted on 12/15/2007 9:52:23 AM PST by Gerfang (Beware the man who would deny you access to information, in his heart he dreams himself your master)
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To: goldstategop

Perhaps the folks who feel this way can ensure that they have a ‘negative carbon footprint’: make high tech funeral arrangments so their body will ‘sequester’ the carbon presently contained, and commit suicide.

Of course, I would rather see them repent of their folly, and embrace all of the Divine commandments from “be fruitful and multiply” to “be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect”, but in some cases I suspect the heart is too hardened for that.


42 posted on 12/15/2007 9:58:42 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Jeff Head

Low liberal birthrates, the result of high numbers of liberal homosexuals combined with what James Taranto terms, “the Roe effect”, high liberal abortion rates, will sharply diminish the number of MoveOn Democrats in the decades ahead. We can only hope that conservatives will have large families so we can keep control of the country.


43 posted on 12/15/2007 2:55:19 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Redefeat Communism by defeating Hitlary in 2008)
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To: goldstategop

44 posted on 12/15/2007 8:49:44 PM PST by Gritty (Human population is the AIDS of the earth and should be cut by 85% - Paul Watson)
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To: Gritty
The Western World is facing a demographic winter. I'd characterize it as civilizational suicide. What is going to be done about it? The Left is fixated as ever on abortion and zero population growth and reversing our technological progress and improved quality of life when in fact our situation calls for exactly the opposite prescription. No society has ever survived without progeny.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

45 posted on 12/15/2007 10:34:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree with it all


46 posted on 12/17/2007 2:37:31 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: varyouga

Very true. Let them “extinct” themselves and leave the breeders alone


47 posted on 12/17/2007 2:40:27 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: RedMonqey
"I agree with it all"

$5K fine per live born baby? Promotion of anal penetration for boys (and girls)?

48 posted on 12/17/2007 2:42:57 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Do not accept a "truth" that comes without love, or a "love" that comes without truth. Edith Stein)
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To: Gerfang

Our church families just keep having more babies. It’s great! One family had 12 children, who have reproduced a good many times themselves. I love it! The more the merrier. Wish my kids would have more.


49 posted on 12/17/2007 2:50:43 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Gawd Noooooo !!!!!1

No you misunderstood. I agree with what YOU said in your reply to me.


50 posted on 12/21/2007 5:03:04 PM PST by RedMonqey
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