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If you expose to the world the dealings of the United States, they will ultimately back down."

Bush and his Administration will cave when pressured or booed, that's been the problem since 2001. It looked like he was starting to stand up this year, but it was too good to last

1 posted on 12/15/2007 9:22:54 AM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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The negotiations will begin only after the American elections next year. There's no guarantee they'll go anywhere.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/15/2007 9:25:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“Global warming” hoax BUMP!

(Remember, it is a mistake to believe ANYTHING published by AFP.)


3 posted on 12/15/2007 9:27:21 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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Bush passed the buck on this one. Not surprised.


4 posted on 12/15/2007 9:27:30 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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Dobriansky was loudly booed by other delegations, and a US environmental activist representing Papua New Guinea said to rousing cheers: "If you're not willing to lead, please get out of the way."

After repeated verbal lashings, Dobriansky again took the microphone and said that Washington would "go forward and join consensus," to the cheers of the conference.

The United States is changing its stated policies based on some boos and jeers from a crowd?

I wish we could have sent a representative with some spine.

5 posted on 12/15/2007 9:27:51 AM PST by snowsislander
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Environmental Terrorism
8 posted on 12/15/2007 9:31:03 AM PST by KTM rider (..dumb or dumber in 08 ....choose one)
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He did not back down at all, he simply told them deal with it when he is not President anymore. In fact all his years in office he never submitted to any treaty regarding global warming.


9 posted on 12/15/2007 9:32:12 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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Yep — Bush has been courageous on WoT but that’s it for some reason. On other issues he has been a political coward OR has bought into the koolaid - take your pick.


10 posted on 12/15/2007 9:32:19 AM PST by plain talk
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Excuse me .. I didn’t see BUSH at the conference - and it’s the liberal state dept who has caved .. not Bush.

It’s not the first time this state dept has gone contrary to the President’s stated policy.

Has everybody had enough of Condi’s policies now ..??


12 posted on 12/15/2007 9:34:57 AM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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You would think at least one person could go to that conference and challenge the very notion of man-made global warming and the premise itself that we need to do anything at all. Where is the antidote to Al Gore? Where is this person?


14 posted on 12/15/2007 9:36:08 AM PST by plain talk
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Bush has tried and failed to mollify leftists in Massachusetts and now he tries and will fail to mollify leftists in Bali.


15 posted on 12/15/2007 9:37:07 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Meanwhile....

US slams "massive" UN budget rise, urges cost cuts

19 posted on 12/15/2007 9:41:08 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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Did anybody even READ the article? It has got JACK to do with Bush and basically the U.S. committed to NOTHING.

Good Lord, take your conspiratorial, nonsensical rantings back to DU where they belong.

The brainpower and reading comprehension on this forum is all but gone. It would be laughable if it weren’t so freakin sad.


20 posted on 12/15/2007 9:42:06 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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The United States, the only major industrialised nation to reject the Kyoto treaty

If Australia does not count as a major industrialized nation, then I guess the U.S. is the only major industrialized nation.

21 posted on 12/15/2007 9:43:38 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (Everything that breathes emits CO2. Anti-carbon is anti-life.)
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Apparently AlGore doesn’t HAVE to sit in the oval office...


22 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:11 AM PST by Libertina
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ANd don’t even get me started on the fact that is is an AFP article. I didn’t realize that chopped up quotes and innuendo from notoriously slanted organizations were swallowed as fact on FR. You people are a propagandist’s dream. “Sheeple”, indeed.


23 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:25 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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Nah I don’t see any real caving here or maybe I missed it. This really crappy article focussed on lots of emotion and then they act like finally they defeated the big bad USA enviro-monster but what the hell did they agree to do? Meet again later? Did I miss something other than a lot of anti-USA crowing about exactly what?


24 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:56 AM PST by rhombus
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Following gruelling all-night talks, the conference of 190 nations finally launched a process to negotiate a new treaty for when the UN Kyoto Protocol’s commitments expire in 2012.

Agreeing to a process for future negotiations is NOT caving in...the USA still has not endorsed Kyoto...the caving in will be by the next president(any Rat and the republicans who raise hands).
25 posted on 12/15/2007 9:46:57 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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Bush and his Administration will cave when pressured or booed, that's been the problem since 2001. It looked like he was starting to stand up this year, but it was too good to last

That has been a big problem. Though on some subjects Bush can stand firm. And when you think about it, his tendency to cave under pressure has benefited conservatives a couple of times, too. You would think that would lead to being liked by the opposition for your waffling. Reality is, they respect you less afterward. It's like the guy who pressures his date to have sex, she caves and then he has no respect for her at all.

More and more I'm convinced that big political issues are best won by the political opposition. Find a weak one on the other team and go for it. The reason is, his own team can't fully attack him and so the battle is much more easily won because the entire opposiiton is weakened.

30 posted on 12/15/2007 9:54:47 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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It looks a version of the "action plan" that we have agreed to is up on the U.N.'s Bali conference website (although I am not clear if it is the final version of the what they are terming the "roadmap") at Bali Action Plan.

Here's a finding that we agreed to that I found interesting:

Recognizing that deep cuts in global emissions will be required to achieve the ultimate objective of the Convention and emphasizing the urgency to address climate change as indicated in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,

Since the IPCC reporting process has been criticized by some very distinguished scientists, (for instance, see my posting #26 in this thread), I wish that we had not agreed to that particular sentence since it is in all likelihood untrue.

Also, it appears that we have agreed to some sort of permanent fund (the "Adaptation Fund") which is to be financed by the sale of carbon credits:

24. Decides that a trust fund shall be established under the management of the trustee, to be funded by the monetized share of proceeds of certified emission reductions, to meet the costs of adaptation and other sources of funding;

38 posted on 12/15/2007 10:19:06 AM PST by snowsislander
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I’m going to start sleeping with my jock strap on.


42 posted on 12/15/2007 10:25:50 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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