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1 posted on 12/17/2007 4:02:58 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
That's why we shouldn't cast our votes based on whose theology we like most.

Indeed.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to disect Mormonism, especially when they claim to be Christians.

2 posted on 12/17/2007 4:05:08 AM PST by Gamecock (Aaron had what every megachurch pastor wants: a crowd, they gave freely, and lively worship.)
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To: Kaslin; broncobilly
The important issues, for any candidate, with respect to religion are:
  1. What are the values that are important to our country that are influenced by religion?
  2. Does the candidate's religion influence these values in the right direction?
  3. Does the candidate apply these values correctly in his governance?
  4. Has the candidate's life demonstrated that he lives by the moral values taught by his religion?

So let's have a look at Romney's religion and how it will influence his decisions as president.

broncobilly's post on a previous thread provides a good start:

Abstract theology is not as important as how that theology is meant to translate into public positions. For example:

1) Romney’s religion believes in God, and therefore that man’e sovereignty comes from God, not government.
2) Romney’s religion believes Christ is divine, and therefore believes that Christian values are not negotiable.
3) Romney’s religion believes that the Constitution was inspired by God, and therefore should in no way be subverted.
4) Romney’s religion believes that every child is a “child of God,” and therefore should be protected.
5) Romney’s religion believes in honoring and sustaining the law, when that law respects our freedom, and that where laws are unjust they should be changed by constitutional means.
6) Romney’s religion believes individuals should be self sufficient and not take government dole, but should help the unfortunate.
7) Romney’s religion believes in the importance of education.
And so on. . . .
Now whether or not Romney lives up to those ideals, that is another question. At least we know what direction Romney’s religion will be pushing him.

And I agree, We should be more interested in Romney living up to the ideals of his religion rather than dismissing him because of his religion.

16 posted on 11/13/2007 2:36:00 PM CST by broncobilly

To this list, I will add some other LDS teachings:
8) We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. (AOF 11)
9) We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. (AOF 12)
10) We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. (AOF 13)
11) We do not believe that human law has a right to interfere in prescribing rules of worship to bind the consciences of men, nor dictate forms for public or private devotion; that the civil magistrate should restrain crime, but never control conscience; should punish guilt, but never suppress the freedom of the soul. (D&C 134:4)
12) We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy. (D&C 134:7)

This may also be of interest for general information about the LDS Church: Faith, Family, Facts, & Fruits by LDS Apostle M. Russell Ballard.

BTW, My current preference is #1: Hunter, #2: Thompson, #3: Romney. In my opinion, these are the only candidates who are right on "most" of the important issues.

3 posted on 12/17/2007 4:18:06 AM PST by esarlls3
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To: Kaslin
Romeny’s attitude about military service REALLY bothers me.
6 posted on 12/17/2007 5:02:03 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Kaslin

Who cares about Romney’s religion? I care about the fact that he’s a RINO flip-flopper who I don’t trust on the issues.


7 posted on 12/17/2007 5:21:25 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Hi, My name is Mitt, and I invented the fifty dollar abortion!")
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To: Kaslin

So, vote for the RINO or else. Just forget too that he got to be a RINO in some part because of his Mormon beliefs, as did his Dad.


8 posted on 12/17/2007 7:05:23 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Kaslin
You and author have to be joking. Romney was militant supporter of abortion rights and the homosexual agenda in Massachusetts. Gay marriage happened on his watch and he didn't lift a finger to stop it.

This crap isn't flying here. Romney has a record and on social issues it is as liberal as any candidate in the race.

The Mitt Wit on abortion:

"Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.' " (NOTE: Romney has supported abortion since before the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling!) - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

In 2002, Romney responded to the National Abortion Rights Action League's candidate survey: ''I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights." Notably, Romney refused to answer the candidate questionnaire sent to him by Massachusetts Citizens for Life. - Boston Globe, 7/3/2005

"Romney, a Republican and the former Winter Olympics chief, was endorsed by the New York-based Republican Pro-Choice Coalition. He mentioned his mother, Lenore Romney, who favored abortion rights when she ran for the U.S. Senate in 1970, even before the 1973 Roe v. Wade case affirmed women's constitutional right to abortions. . . . Lynn Grefe, director of the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, applauded Romney's 'commitment to family planning and protecting a woman's right to choose' in a letter on Wednesday." - Associated Press / New Bedford Standard-Times 10/3/2002

During the 2002 governor's race, Romney's platform stated, "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's." - Romney's 2002 campaign website

Willard on homosexual "rights":

"The state LCR [Log Cabin Republican Club] worked with Romney's unsuccessful campaign to unseat U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy in 1994. Romney won the LCR endorsement primarily based on his support for the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), a pro-gay piece of legislation that at the time had little Republican support." - Bay Windows, 10/24/2002

"There will be children born to same-sex couples, and adopted by same-sax couples, and I believe that there should be rights and privileges associated with those unions and with the children that are part of those unions." On another occasion, his spokesman "declined to state Romney's position on whether homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, and declined to say whether the governor opposes gay adoptions." - State House press conference, 6/15/2005 - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said yesterday he was ready to work with lawmakers to craft a "civil union"-style law to give some marriage rights to homosexual couples, even though he also supports a constitutional amendment to preserve traditional marriage . . . Mr. Romney yesterday told TV news stations that he would support a Vermont-style civil union law in Massachusetts, but reiterated his support for a constitutional amendment that would clarify that "marriage is an institution between a man and a woman." - Washington Times, 11/20/2003

Despite the over 2,500 pedophilia cases now on record involving homosexual scout leaders, Romney stated, "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." In the same article, a BSA official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy. - Boston Globe, 10/27/1994

The Mitt Wit's record on judicial appointments:

Romney told the U.S. Senate on June 22, 2004, that the "real threat to the States is not the constitutional amendment process, in which the states participate, but activist judges who disregard the law and redefine marriage . . ." Romney sounds tough but yet he had no qualms advancing the legal career of one of the leading anti-marriage attorneys. He nominated Stephen Abany to a District Court. Abany has been a key player in the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association which, in its own words, is "dedicated to ensuring that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision on marriage equality is upheld, and that any anti-gay amendment or legislation is defeated." Press release from governor's office 5/4/2005 - U.S. Senate testimony by Gov. Mitt Romney, 6/22/2004

"Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found. Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats." - Boston Globe 7/25/2005

9 posted on 12/17/2007 8:55:13 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Kaslin
Governor Romney Shares Our Political & Moral Values

Today he does, four years ago he was pro-choice, pro sanctuary state, anti nra, ......

Sorry willard ya gotta go, it aint about being a Mormon its about being a spineless panderer..

19 posted on 12/17/2007 1:58:11 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: Kaslin
Voting on the basis of whose doctrine was better would have meant electing the second guy — Jimmy Carter — over the first, Ronald Reagan.

Good point.

24 posted on 12/17/2007 2:08:38 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Kaslin
Good points.

But he still cries too much.

25 posted on 12/17/2007 2:09:54 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: Kaslin

34 posted on 12/17/2007 6:31:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kaslin

Excellent article....thanks!


36 posted on 12/17/2007 6:43:09 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Kaslin

SIX “Evangelical” Bloggers for Mitt!

The momentum is building!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let’s see. This week, six.

Next week, um, 9.

Next month, let’s say 50.

I could get excited about this kind of
evangelical fervor.


39 posted on 12/17/2007 7:41:50 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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