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To: Rick.Donaldson
ANYONE can SHOUT ‘POLICE!’ can’t they moron?... SWAT belongs at hostage situations and KNOWN bad guys being holed up after an LE contact, not kicking in doors in the middle of the night.

Exactly right.

Anybody breaking into my house at night can yell whatever they want. It's a known tactics criminals sometimes do yell "POLICE!" to gain unopposed entry in an innocent victim house. You can also buy shirts that read 'POLICE' on the internet.

I'm afraid in this situation I would go down, but I would take a few with me. I would hope they aren't LEOs at the wrong address, but if they are, it's their own fault.

It would be a tragedy for my family as well as theirs.

What's wrong with presenting a warrant peaceably instead of breaking in one second after screaming "WARRANT, POLICE!" at 2:00 in the morning and smashing in with a gang of ninja-clad armed men?

52 posted on 12/17/2007 9:29:15 AM PST by Gritty (The right to bear arms is one more guarantee against arbitrary government-Hubert H. Humphrey)
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To: Gritty
What's wrong with presenting a warrant peaceably

Depends on the situation and the crime in question. While the cops are peaceably presenting a warrant at the front door, an accomplice is flushing evidence down the toilet, scooting out the back door, or taking aim on the cops.

65 posted on 12/17/2007 9:55:29 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Gritty

I once had an El Paso County Sheriff’s deputy enter my house, uninvited to chase a kid into the basement (My son and another kid for whatever reason were out late and were brought to my house after a curfew violation - My son caught hell, the other kids got his just due from his mommy and daddy too). Both boys were 17 and returning from school and had a legitimate reason for being out. It was after 11 pm and I was sleeping. (Apparently my son decided to go into the basement where my office is to get ME and didn’t tell the cop what he was doing, the other kid RAN and caused the commotion)

All I heard was a “CRASH” and some unintelligible yelling. When I entered the front of the house, the light was on, front door open wide and noises were in the basement. When Mr. Deputy came back up the basement stairs, he found himself with a rifle pointed at his head and me telling him to put his hands in the air and step up the stairs.

At that point he stated “I’m a police officer”.

I said, “Fine, then step up the stairs with your hands in the air and allow me to see your badge and uniform”.

He complied and I took him off cover. I told him I apologized for pointing a weapon at him, but I didn’t know who he was. We parted ways after shaking hands.

If there had been shots fired in my house, he’d have been a dead man with a hole in his head before I ever saw his uniform.

Fortunately, people are generally calm when dealing with such things, and I was that night (I’ve also been under fire before and know when to shoot and when to wait). Most people though, are NOT going to be calm with someone kicking in a door.


75 posted on 12/17/2007 10:25:17 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Gritty
What's wrong with presenting a warrant peaceably instead of breaking in one second after screaming "WARRANT, POLICE!" at 2:00 in the morning and smashing in with a gang of ninja-clad armed men?

On the SWAT television shows, the non fiction ones, the police often shout "Police Search Warrant" at the same time, or very shortly after, the door is smashed in. That's not a "reasonable" search in the sense of the Constitution, warrant or no warrant. Many times they either have no warrant, or more frequently don't have it with them to "serve", should someone manage to actually answer the door in that fraction of a second, or happen to notice them approaching and "preemptively" open the door.

101 posted on 12/17/2007 2:06:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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