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To: JimSEA; ShadowDancer; marron; Marie2
Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir were something less than glamorous but I would rate them above the vast majority of men in leadership roles. My dislike of Hillary has nothing to do with her appearance.

Margaret Thatcher never bothered me. Honestly, it’s not about the looks.

You are both right, it isn’t about the looks, or at least is shouldn’t be. It should be about belief and personal character and integrity.

I had the great honor of meeting Lady Thatcher (abet, very briefly) and hearing her speak in Baltimore in the late 90’s when she was speaking at an event sponsored by an organization that I was working for as a contractor. Lady Thatcher was as a formidable person in person as she appeared to be on TV. She wore her obvious age gracefully but not artificially. There was nothing artificial about her. She was beautiful to me because of her charm and wit and most of all her great intellect, experience in life and her inner strength.

Working for this same organization I also had the great privilege of meeting Madame Sadat and hearing her speak a few years ago. She spoke very bravely about supporting rights for women in the Middle East even as it is sometimes unpopular and dangerous in her country and she spoke about the dangers of the Islamic extremists who have twisted religion to hold people hostage in their own countries including her own and throughout the world. She spoke of her husband as a great man who gave his life trying to bring peace but more importantly to her, she spoke of him as a loving and understanding husband and father. She talked about her grandchildren and the great joy they bring to her. Even if I didn't agree with her on everything she said, I greatly admired her honesty and sincerity. She didn’t come across as making a “speech” but was she speaking from the heart – a real woman – something Hillary can’t do. Madame Sadat, an older woman, unafraid and unapologetic and embracing the joys of her age, was also beautiful woman because she had a great inner beauty and strength.

Hillary’s wrinkles and wide hips and love of dumpy pantsuits should not be an issue for any voter. Her big government ideas and neo-socialism should be the issue.

I agree with Rush in that our culture is youth and beauty obsessed for all the wrong reasons. And he should know given that he endured a lot of fat jokes over the years. A lot of liberals, instead of debating him on what he was actually saying, went down the low road and went straight for the fat jokes.

Personally I’m getting tired of the Helen Thomas picks. As she can’t help how she was made and her looks are not important to me. Her idiotic statements and views are fair game however.

And I’d like to think after an hour of hair styling and makeup and careful consideration of my wardrobe, I leave the house to go to work looking pretty good. I do try to look the best I can. But after a 12 hour and very hectic day that often doesn’t give me time for lunch live alone time to touch up my make up, I look all of my 47 years by the time I’ve given my employer a full day’s work and finally head for home. Fortunately I’m being paid to do a job that values my intelligence, experience and management skills and thankfully I’m not being paid to be a “super model” otherwise I’d starve to death.

When Brittany Spears made an appearance on MTV, it seemed that most people were more concerned about how out of shape she “looked” and how she had let herself go physically, rather than how she was obviously inebriated on something. Meaning it’s OK to be a drug addict as long as you can still look good while doing it.

Recently some young actress was photographed by the paparazzi on a beach with her fiancé and her butt showed some cellulite. The next day the tabloids were saying she was fat. She responded by saying something like “I’m a size 2. On what planet does that make me fat? I have some curves and I have some cellulite. Get over it. I’m human. If I were a size zero, it wouldn’t make me healthier or a better person”.

TV is filled with make over shows, most sadly aimed at women. The overriding message is “you can’t be happy unless you look younger and dress better”. There is no message about what constitutes inner beauty and intelligence and personally integrity. It’s all about the external appearance and nothing what so ever about the internal life.

In the end, I’d rather look like Margaret Thatcher (or even Hillary) on a bad day and be an intelligent and thoughtful woman than look like Miss South Carolina and be a complete empty air head.
104 posted on 12/17/2007 7:28:46 PM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Caramelgal

the problem is that Hillary is not an intelligent, thoughtful person and she sure doesn’t look like Miss South Carolina!


105 posted on 12/17/2007 7:51:01 PM PST by ari-freedom (Mitt Romney. He may be a liberal but he's the prettiest.)
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To: Caramelgal
Hillary’s wrinkles and wide hips and love of dumpy pantsuits should not be an issue for any voter. Her big government ideas and neo-socialism should be the issue.

Exactly right! As much as I despise everything Hillary stands for, it's totally unfair for anyone to criticize her wrinkles. That will eventually happen to everyone, unless we go down the road of plastic surgery.

107 posted on 12/17/2007 8:01:35 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Caramelgal

“Nature gives you the face you have at 20. Life shapes the face you have at 30. But at 50, you get the face you deserve.” - Coco Chanel


108 posted on 12/17/2007 8:02:21 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Caramelgal

Well said.


109 posted on 12/17/2007 8:05:37 PM PST by marron
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