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To: El Gato
" Art. I, Section 9, Constitution for the United States of America No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. Common law, English or Scottish, does not override the written Constitution."

From #97

A Bill of Attainder is an act of the legislature that effects, or more persons in particular by name. Attainder is not the same as a Bill of Attainder. An ex post facto law is a criminal law that has effect prior to the date of enactment and publishing.

Re: A felon abrogated their own rights when they committed the crime..

"Only through the individual due process of their trial and sentencing."

No. Their right to vote and all other rights are lost and only remain by the grace of the legislature.

""Felon" includes the 20 y/o who gets caught having carnal knowledge of his 17 y/o "intended", along with a host of much more trivial offenses.

There's no "host" of "much more trivial issues" that are felonies! Your example only holds in some states. That's a separate issue.

" The law merely says "(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution;" Doesn't say for how long. And it also doesn't define the terms, except to say they have the same meanings as in Title 18 Section 922(g)(4), which also doesn't define them, nor does section 921, which contains the definitions applying to Chapter 44 (Firearms) (section 921-931) Interestingly the review/appeal procedures. (section 101 c (2) A) only seem to apply to cases where a federal agency is the one doing the "adjudication". I'm sure most such "adjudications" are done at the state or local level.

I gave you where the terms are defined: 27CFR478.11, and you were given the essential requirements and process for involuntary commitment. The judicial act is indefinite and lasts until such time another court reverses it.

121 posted on 12/22/2007 8:04:24 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets
27CFR478.11

Is not the law, it can be changed by executive fiat. That is by observing the proper procedure, publishing the proposed change or new regulation, and then taking public input (which can be ignored). Then after the proper amount of time, it's the new regulation.

Their right to vote and all other rights are lost and only remain by the grace of the legislature.

Including presumably their right to speak in public, their right to publish what they wish, and their right to exercise their religion?

125 posted on 12/22/2007 10:04:46 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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