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Zogby Poll: Obama Leads Top Republicans (Romney -18, Huck -5, McCain -4)
Zogby ^ | 12/20/2007 | Zogby

Posted on 12/21/2007 8:39:55 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

UTICA, New York - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama would defeat all five of the top Republicans in prospective general election contests, performing better than either of his two top rivals, a new Zogby telephone poll shows.

His margins of advantage range from a 4 percent edge over Arizona Sen. John McCain and a 5 percent edge over Arkansas’ Mike Huckabee to an 18 percentage point lead over Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the survey shows. Against New York’s Rudy Giuliani he leads by 9%, and against Fred Thompson of Tennessee he holds a 16 point edge.

The telephone survey included 1,000 likely voters nationwide and carries a margin of error of +/– 3.2 percentage points. The poll was conducted Dec. 12–14, 2007.

Democrat Hillary Clinton of New York would defeat Romney by a narrow 46% to 44% margin and Thompson by a 48% to 42% margin. She would lose to Huckabee 48% to 43%, to Giuliani 46% to 42%, and to McCain by a 49% to 42% margin. The data suggest that Clinton has improved her position slightly. A November Zogby Interactive poll showed her losing by small margins to all five of the top GOP candidates.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: huckabee; medialies; romney
More proof that it is the Mitt Wit, not Huckabee, that is the weakest Presidential candidate and would be the most likely to be defeated in a landslide.
1 posted on 12/21/2007 8:40:00 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

Since when were any of these polls proof of anything?


2 posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:25 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I believe this poll about as much as I believe Jessica Alba is going to be coming over to hookup with me later this evening and my wife has given me permission to do it.


3 posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:40 PM PST by Abbeville Conservative
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To: Ol' Sparky

I believe this poll about as much as I believe Jessica Alba is going to be coming over to hookup with me later this evening and my wife has given me permission to do it.


4 posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:41 PM PST by Abbeville Conservative
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To: Ol' Sparky

This poll is ludicrous.


5 posted on 12/21/2007 8:54:50 PM PST by SHEENA26
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To: Ol' Sparky

Polls while practically nobody is thinking about presidential politics signifies nothing.


6 posted on 12/21/2007 8:55:32 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

While we need to take this poll with a grain of salt, I do believe that Obama would be much tougher to defeat than Hillary. He also would be a aboost instead of a damper on candidates running for Congress. Hillary would be a disaster for those folks.


7 posted on 12/21/2007 8:57:44 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Ol' Sparky

Uh..huh..

And a PBS poll shows that Tinkwinky leads them all.


8 posted on 12/21/2007 8:59:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ol' Sparky

With Rush’s spanking of Huckabee, today, he’ll be lucky to beat Ron Paul in Iowa.


9 posted on 12/21/2007 9:00:23 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Ol' Sparky
Best known as an interpreter of the political scene, Zogby had a brief stint as an aspiring politician himself in 1981, when he ran unsuccessfully for Mayor of Utica, New York. He describes himself personally as a Democrat, while his polling firm is “independent and nonpartisan”.

Since May 2005, he has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post.

—Wikepedia

10 posted on 12/21/2007 9:00:31 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Ol' Sparky

Don’t give me that nonsense. Put BarryO on the stage with any of the Republican candidates and he’ll be shown for the nitwit he is.


11 posted on 12/21/2007 9:01:38 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Rainbow Stew.


12 posted on 12/21/2007 9:03:13 PM PST by crz
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To: Ol' Sparky
Except for political blowhards, most people don't know Romney-yet.

Also you have a very fractured Republican race with many more serious contenders than that of the dims.

Regarding dims, I hear two names. Obama and Hillary.

In the republican side we have McCain, Huckaboob, Thompson, Romney, as major contenters.

As we parse things down to one candidate, and when the whole nation becomes interested, that is when we will find out about these polls.

Right now people don't know much about anyone and really don't care (at this point).

As the whole nation (as a whole--instead of the state by state issues we see now) sees debates and the likes between one republican and one dimocrat that is when opinions form.

Personally I believe Romney will put an old fashion butt kicking on either Obama or Hillary on a national stage.

13 posted on 12/21/2007 9:04:10 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Ol' Sparky
More proof that it is the Mitt Wit, not Huckabee, that is the weakest Presidential candidate and would be the most likely to be defeated in a landslide.

Why? Because of a Zogby poll? Rasmussen poll numbers have consistently shown the Republican candidates much closer together with Mitt tied for 3rd place and less than 4 pts below Huck or Rudy. The Zogby poll states a 13 pt difference between Mitt and McCain which makes no sense. So I would not place much weight in this. I also think the public's perception of Obama or Hillary would suffer after a head-to-head debate with any of these Republican candidates and especially against Mitt Romney who is the best speaker of the bunch.

14 posted on 12/21/2007 9:04:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: basil
Since when were any of these polls proof of anything?

You're right. The polls mean nothing and Duncan Hunter is going to win Iowa and New Hampshire.

Polls have consistently for months showed Romney doing more poorly than any other candidate. He is guaranteed loser.

15 posted on 12/21/2007 9:07:52 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Hello, this is a Zogby poll. I would just love to see Mitt Romney debate Obama or the Hill.


16 posted on 12/21/2007 9:08:26 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

This is not proof of anything — it is highly sensitive to the internals, i.e. how many R, D and I-s they polled, and whether that is representative of the nation.

Pollsters play a lot of games with that.


17 posted on 12/21/2007 9:13:11 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: Ol' Sparky

That’s it then. Let’s just call the election and crown Obama as the new President! (/sarc)


18 posted on 12/21/2007 9:13:51 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: maui_hawaii
Except for political blowhards, most people don't know Romney-yet.

He has purchased 18,000 ads nationwide and can't crack 15% in the national polls. He has outspent Huckabee 20-1 in Iowa and trials there. New Hampshire is in his political backyard yet McCain has closed within striking distance there.

If it wasn't for his money and the fact NH is next to home state, he would never been anything more than a bad, second-tier candidate.

And, polls consistently showing a Mormon problem that isn't going to go away, like or not. And, what people are learning about him is that is a liar and flip-flopper, something the Democrats will hammer him into the ground on.

19 posted on 12/21/2007 9:14:00 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: winner3000
"I do believe that Obama would be much tougher to defeat than Hillary" I disagree, I believe that there is a latent prejudice that will come to the fore if Obama is the dem candidate. There's still a large group of dem and independent voters who would not vote for him because of his ethnicity, not to mention his muslim family background. Then there's the conservative block (myself included) who would never vote for him because of his political platform. I don't see how this guy could even sniff 50%.
20 posted on 12/21/2007 9:18:09 PM PST by yooling (Bring the troops home; bring the war home)
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To: basil

zogby just supporting hussein


21 posted on 12/21/2007 9:20:28 PM PST by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: Ol' Sparky

this is just so much useless crap propaganda it’s practically criminal.

seriously, what possible good is it to know a theoretical match up between people who have never gotten a vote in a presidential primary before?? other than the propaganda value for Obama, what else is this poll useful for?


22 posted on 12/21/2007 9:21:46 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: plain talk
The Real Clear Politics average of all polls shows Willard down 10% to Obama while McCain beats him by 1%.

The fact that he is becoming best known for telling Clinton-like whoopers is going make him any more electable.

23 posted on 12/21/2007 9:23:30 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Who is “Willard”?


24 posted on 12/21/2007 9:26:10 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

In fact, the RCP average all polls show him a sterling 18% on average behind John Edwards while every other candidate is at least 7% closer to Edwards.


25 posted on 12/21/2007 9:26:25 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky
In fact, the RCP average all polls show him

Who is "him"?

26 posted on 12/21/2007 9:28:01 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Ol' Sparky

And Tom McClintock could not beat the Dem, until they did exit polling, and found he would have won easily.


27 posted on 12/21/2007 9:30:00 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Define 'nationwide'.

Do you mean nationwide as in the nearest 3 states to hold primaries, or do you mean nationwide as in all 50 states?

Either way, it explains why what you say.

Assuming those ads were placed in all 50 states, over the course of 9 or 10 months that would be roughly one ad in each state per day--hardly enough to reach the consumer.

If those ads were placed strategically---and they were--- that says Mitt's barely started the race (along with everyone else).

Actually speaking, I trust democrats on a whole a lot more than about 25% of the republican base to not hammer Romney on his religion.

The only people hollering about it now is the branch dividian wing of the republican party.

28 posted on 12/21/2007 9:39:54 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Ol' Sparky
Democrat Hillary Clinton of New York....would lose to Huckabee 48% to 43%...

Hard to believe. Maybe we need to really root for Hillary to be the Dem nominee.
29 posted on 12/21/2007 10:04:11 PM PST by no dems (FRED THOMPSON: The only Conservative running who can beat Hillary or Obama.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I read where such polls cost about $50,000 to conduct but they make three times that in profits. So they’re good business for the pollsters if nothing else.


30 posted on 12/21/2007 10:19:21 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

With Zogby’s leftest leaning, it would be hard to convince me there is no politics in his polling.

I think many of the polls are politically driven.


31 posted on 12/21/2007 10:19:50 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Ol' Sparky

You can take 5-10 points from Obama when his middle name is used.


32 posted on 12/21/2007 10:31:49 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I don’t put a lot of stock in Zogby, but if this is true, it confirms what I thought about Mitt: He’s an appealing, charismatic, perfectly acceptable candidate who cannot win in the general.


33 posted on 12/21/2007 10:35:45 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: denydenydeny
Yeah. I think it depends on who is paying for the poll and whether they want it to be scientific and confidential or “adjusted” and for public dissemination. He lost a lot of credibility in 2004 because Rasmussen and some others called it closer. Zogby predicted in May 2004 that Kerry would win then seemed to adjust his “results” after that to support his wishful thinking.
34 posted on 12/21/2007 10:59:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Ol' Sparky

Due to the electoral college this poll is worthless unless it takes into account the state matchups. It couldn’t possibly be able to do that without a huge, huge number of people polled.


35 posted on 12/21/2007 11:22:45 PM PST by torchthemummy (“America Will Not Reject Abortion Until America Sees Abortion” -Father Frank Pavone)
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To: TheLion

Clearly Zogby is carrying the Democrats’ water here...trying to show Mitt to be the weakest Republican general election candidate, when he may in fact be the strongest.


36 posted on 12/21/2007 11:48:54 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: denydenydeny

I’m afraid you may be right, but I’m not sure - Zogby supports Obama for the democrat nomination, Ron Paul for the other - speaks volumes.

And Romney probably could beat Hillary fairly easy if it comes to that.


37 posted on 12/21/2007 11:50:10 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Baladas
I think McPain was shown to be ahead of Hildabeast today above the margin of error. I think the top 3 or 4 Rpubs could beat either Dem. If Osam.....er...ahh...Obama can be elected to anything in Red America, I’m outta here.
38 posted on 12/22/2007 12:01:27 AM PST by chuckles
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To: basil; All

Don’t fool yourselves into thinking that Obama is not a wolf in a wool sweater very appealing to Americans.


39 posted on 12/22/2007 3:00:34 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: SHEENA26
This poll is ludicrous.

I think not.

(And Fred Thompson so far has come across much like Robert Dole -- or the characterization of Dole in SNL.)

40 posted on 12/22/2007 3:02:25 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: SHEENA26
This poll is ludicrous.

Of course it is. They pick the biggest losers and try to tell the Republicans that they are the best choice.

41 posted on 12/22/2007 3:25:44 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Oh of course America will elect a Black Muslim, why didn’t I think of that? I’m sooooooo embarrassed!
42 posted on 12/22/2007 5:21:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Zogby Poll: Obama Leads Top Republicans (Romney -18, Huck -5, McCain -4)....

sorry ~ zogby poll = one muzzie push polling for another!!!!!


43 posted on 12/22/2007 9:04:05 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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