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Declaring Forever War [Conservative Magazine Portrays Rudy in Facist Garb]
amconmag.com ^ | 12/22/07 | by Michael C. Desch

Posted on 12/22/2007 9:18:21 AM PST by paltz

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I'm no Rudy supporter but this does no favors for the conservative movement as seen from the loony left wing comments from the Huffington Post below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/21/american-conservative-mag_n_77943.html

1 posted on 12/22/2007 9:18:24 AM PST by paltz
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To: paltz
My problem with Rudy's foreign policy is similar, in that he wants MORE of the "spreading Democracy abroad" schtick that is being promoted by the Podhoretz Crime Family.

Nevertheless, dressing him as a nazi is a little too much. Putting him in drag is more than enough.

2 posted on 12/22/2007 9:19:58 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: paltz
That's crazy.
3 posted on 12/22/2007 9:21:43 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: paltz
What specifically makes this fascist? Being gray? Having an armband? Being pressed?

I don’t see this ‘garb’ taking over private industry for the good of the people. I don’t see this ‘garb’ separating people and redistributing land and resources based on race or ethnic heritage. I don’t see this garb dictating all workers what they produce and to whom they distribute it to. I don’t see this garb seizing all media.

Sorry, but the word fascist is thrown around so much, I think people forgot what fascism really is.

4 posted on 12/22/2007 9:23:58 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: paltz
Giuliani’s tendency to conflate all terrorist groups
Right. What we need is a more NUANCED approach to terrorism.
5 posted on 12/22/2007 9:24:15 AM PST by samtheman (Huckabee. A Bible-Packing Leftist.)
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To: Clemenza

Yeah...although the outfit fits when it comes to some of his domestic governance.

That aside, I’ve come to the conclusion that the “peace through bombing” crowd is just as much of a threat to liberty as the surrender monkey crowd.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 9:27:33 AM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: paltz
I didn't read the article yet, but I am familiar with The American Conservative. In this instance, are they saying that being a fascist or Nazi is a bad thing?
7 posted on 12/22/2007 9:28:13 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: paltz

Giuliani validates Cindy Sheehan on why we fight.


8 posted on 12/22/2007 9:28:48 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: mnehrling

The artwork is in the iconic style of 1930s fascist propaganda art.


9 posted on 12/22/2007 9:30:02 AM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: paltz
I'm no Rudy supporter but this does no favors for the conservative movement as seen from the loony left wing comments from the Huffington Post below:

I agree. They may be impressing each other with how cute they are, but they will turn off the voting public.

10 posted on 12/22/2007 9:31:33 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: paltz

“I had forgotten that while U.S. attorney in New York, Giuliani tried to close the PLO’s New York office. As mayor, he made headlines in 1995, when he had Arafat ejected from a concert at Lincoln Center. “

I have steadfastly opposed Rudy, but the above comment made me rethink.


11 posted on 12/22/2007 9:40:51 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I think only freepers who have been on the “front lines” of freeps will truly understand the despicable nature of this cover. The criticism could have been done differently without giving further ammo to those on the left we face every week at Walter Reed and across the nation.


12 posted on 12/22/2007 9:47:24 AM PST by paltz
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Rudy is first and foremost a prosecutor who believes in a living document interpretation of ALL existing laws.

This was shown again and again in his tenure as mayor of NYC, from his obscene abuse of civil forfeiture laws on vehicles, abuse of zoning laws, abuse of arcane outdated cabaret laws, abuse of building inspector regulations to pressure targeted companies, and his attempt to abuse land use laws.

He has shown a consistent, long term, well stated, self affirmed, firmly held belief that 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment Rights are negotiable privileges owned by the state power that is controlled by him, and all means to the end of Guiliani accomplishing the goals of the state that Guiliani deems appropriate can and will be attempted.

There is a clear line of reasoning regarding Guiliani’s record of abusing zoning and land use, civil forfeiture law, his overall beliefs in state controlled urban land management, and his campaign spiel to label him a statist. Is he a fascist? I don’t think he cares about industry as long as the industry pays their taxes so he can push his agenda.


13 posted on 12/22/2007 9:48:26 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: paltz

[cue Mike Myers as Linda Richman]

“The American Conservative Magazine is neither American nor conservative. Discuss.”


14 posted on 12/22/2007 9:51:32 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: B Knotts

The point is that garb doesn’t make an ideology.


15 posted on 12/22/2007 10:00:41 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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Boo hoo! Rudi is a mean man. Rudi scolded me in public.

crybaby

What a pathetic cry for attention.


16 posted on 12/22/2007 10:14:31 AM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Clemenza
My problem with Rudy's foreign policy is similar, in that he wants MORE of the "spreading Democracy abroad" schtick that is being promoted by the Podhoretz Crime Family.

There are areas where Podhoretz is out of synch with the rest of the Giuliani team. One is his steadfast commitment to the Bush administration’s efforts to spread democracy in the Middle East, which he applies equally to American enemies like Iran and Syria and friends like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Other Giuliani advisors are more restrained about democracy promotion.


You sure about that? That's not what I read here.
17 posted on 12/22/2007 10:21:47 AM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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. . . Giuliani’s tendency to conflate all terrorist groups . . .

What we need is a more NUANCED approach to terrorism.

1. The author has overlooked a very important point here with regard to Giuliani's track record.

2. Giuliani's campaign has basically been a wholesale whitewashing of his disgraceful track record of what actually was a very NUANCED approach to terrorism.

Just a few weeks before the infamous "tough on terror" incident in which Giuliani had Arafat expelled from Lincoln Center, Giuliani had actually honored former Irish Republican Army spokesman Gerry Adams at an official New York City dinner. Since Arafat and Adams both had the same legal/diplomatic standing in terms of their relationship with the U.S. at the time, one must logically conclude that Arafat's only crime was that -- in Giuliani's mind -- he simply wasn't "the right kind" of terrorist.

Giuliani's references to the 1972 massacre at the Munich Olympics are particularly silly and pathetic. Based on his own track record as mayor of New York City (particularly with regard to the one high-profile terrorist incident in New York City during his tenure in office -- i.e., the 1997 multiple shooting on the observatoin deck of the Empire State Building by a Palestinian terrorist), I would make the case that if such an incident had occurred right here in the United States, Giuliani himself wouldn't even have the b@lls or the moral clarity to call it an act of terrorism.

Those of his who know about that 1997 incident in the Empire State Building will remember that Giuliani never used the word "terrorism" or "terrorist" to describe that attack. Instead, he zeroed in on that incident as a gun problem, AND IMMEDIATELY ADOPTED IT AS PART OF HIS PATHOLOGICAL ANTI-GUN CRUSADE.

18 posted on 12/22/2007 10:26:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I have steadfastly opposed Rudy, but the above comment made me rethink.

See #18.

Giuliani at least deserves a lot of credit for being consistent over the years.

He is consistently full of sh!t.

19 posted on 12/22/2007 10:28:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: paltz

This guy is part of the “rabid” anti-war far-right apparently.

There’s another loon at San Diego State (IIRC)...

They are convinced that because *a small part* of neocon philosophy derived from Trotsky they are all commies.

They then combine this with the Bush is a Nazi swill in order to take an even more radical position.

They align themselves with antiwar.com and that jackass Justin Raimondo, Indymedia, along with nutters like Alex Jones.


20 posted on 12/22/2007 10:32:56 AM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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